test ace vs dbol

[Ragin' Cajun]

if jumpstarting my cycle with test ace, is there any need to take dbol? should i leave it out of my cycle? i've critiqued this cycle again for a final draft.

Jumpstart with test ace 125mg/eod and dbol 30mg/ed wk 1-4or5
test e 500mg/wk 1-15
eq 400mg/wk 1-15
winny 50 mg/ed wk11-15 (only if i Drop the DBOL)

What do ya'll think? dbol or no dbol? I want to do a lean bulk with minimal water bloat. I have nolva to take during cycle at 10mg/eod. all help appreciated.
Cajun

 

[mike036]

if you are lookin for lean gains with not to much water bloat than leave the dbol alone-test ace is very fast acting and much less stress on your liver-it should jumpstart your cycle just as well if not better than dbol

 

[tpd01883]

Why not start off w/ the dbol for the first 4 weeks, then use the tren ace for 4 weeks after that...or after a short break. IMO you'd get more gains using them separately than together.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

what about the winny? should i finish my cycle with it? are all the compounds dosed right for a lean bulk? I've noticed many saying tha they used 250 mg/wk test/sust. for their cycle and some sying 400. anymore advice/help is greatly appreciated.
Cajun

 

[pupeye]

never heard of test ace. Is that new?

 

[King-kong]

I think he means
Tren ace?

Either way do some research on it here with the search button and I am sure you will find the answers you are looking for. I'd steer clear of tren ace right now. Stick with the test and eq. for a lean bulk with proper diet. Go with the winny if you are looking to add another component. Give tren a go in the spring.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

Test Ace is a faster acting ester than Prop. It's one of the 4 esters in sust. and other test blends.

 

[gordo14]

I would drop the d-bol. JMHO.

 

[SacToSD]

didn't someone post the half lives of various esters not too long ago? Anyways, I copied it and kept it for myself. Here it is:
Half lives of your esters....
Steroid esters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Active half-life
Formate ----------------------------------------------------- 1.5 days
Acetate ----------------------------------------------------- 3 days
Propionate --------------------------------------------------- 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate --------------------------------------------- 4.5 days
Butyrate ----------------------------------------------------- 6 days
Valerate ----------------------------------------------------- 7 days
Hexanoate --------------------------------------------------- 9 days
Caproate ---------------------------------------------------- 9 days
Isocaproate -------------------------------------------------- 9 days
Heptanoate -------------------------------------------------- 10 days
Enanthate --------------------------------------------------- 10.5 days
Octanoate --------------------------------------------------- 12 days
Cypionate ---------------------------------------------------- 12 days
Nonanoate ---------------------------------------------------- 13.5 days
Decanoate ---------------------------------------------------- 15days
Undecanoate -------------------------------------------------- 16.5 days
Ancillaries ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Active half-life
Arimidex -------------------------------------------------------- 3 days
Clenbuterol ----------------------------------------------------- 1.5 days
Clomid ---------------------------------------------------------- 5 days
Cytadren ------------------------------------------------------- 6 hours
Ephedrine ------------------------------------------------------- 6 hours
T3 ------------------------------------------------------------- 10 hours

dianabol has an active life of 6-8 hours, reportedly.

 

[mikeyt869]

start your cycle off with either low dose dbol ex. 25-30 mg's or turnabol at 40-50 mgs ed. I know some love tbol you get good size and strength with minimal to no water bloat.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

So this is what I've come to...
Test Ace 125mg/eod 1-4
Test E 400mg/wk 1-15
Eq 400mg/wk 1-15
Winny 40mg/ed 9-10 50mg/ed11-12

It'll start monday. If anyone has any additional comments please feel free to leave them
Peace
Cajun

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

will adding 10 mg/ed nolva to dbol cut out the water bloat? also does libido increase? just wondering for next cycle

 

[juced_porkchop]

I would use the tren at the end of the cycle with the winny.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

there is no tren being used in this cycle. it's TESTOSTERONE ACETATE.

 

[Thewhite9t]

You can start out pinning test ace eod I guess, but I've found that even though the acetate ester seems to have a 3 day half life, I seem much more stable if I inject ed. I know that my blood levels are peaking and troughing for various reasons when I inject it EOD.

A 3 day half life can be a little misleading. I've seen some charts with blood level concentrations using acetate esters and they begin to decline after 24hrs.

TBH I think that prop is a better ester for humans, but I'm certainly not going to decline a free gift.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

TBH I think that prop is a better ester for humans, but I'm certainly not going to decline a free gift.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you on this.

 

[FilthyMick]

My friend said he didnt recieve a free gift on his order of dvds.. so im wondering if i will too.

 

[liftalot79]

I have a Mix

Tren Ace 50mg
Test Ace 50mg
1ml

I did 1ml/EOD so 150mg of Tren & 150mg Of Test

I loved it. Gains were clean and I stayed Lean and Vascular.

Not alot of Test Acetate out there.

 

[cool]

how?

Test Ace is a faster acting ester than Prop. It's one of the 4 esters in sust. and other test blends.

I'm thinkin bout running 250mg of Sustanon twice/wk, anavor 50mg every other day with 50mg win and I was also thinkin bout runnin test ace. Im also thinkin bout takin Arimidex 1mg.

 

[greenpatch]

do it

if jumpstarting my cycle with test ace, is there any need to take dbol? should i leave it out of my cycle? i've critiqued this cycle again for a final draft.

Jumpstart with test ace 125mg/eod and dbol 30mg/ed wk 1-4or5
test e 500mg/wk 1-15
eq 400mg/wk 1-15
winny 50 mg/ed wk11-15 (only if i Drop the DBOL)

What do ya'll think? dbol or no dbol? I want to do a lean bulk with minimal water bloat. I have nolva to take during cycle at 10mg/eod. all help appreciated.
Cajun

if ur useing nolva thn yes use it ur water gain will b small thn stop using it after 6 weeks but keep on th nolva gtg be smart b safe