After reading this thread, I am still unclear on what you are trying to accomplish here....Are you trying to build mass?? Is your body fat high?? If you are trying to lean bulk and worried about estrogen build up then go with the var at 50-75mg a day....if you are looking for sheer mass, go with the d bol at 30-50mg a day and take it with 500mg test a week. Basic but effective cycle right there.