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Old 10-29-2009, 12:28 AM
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Unbiased supplement site's ?

Im looking for sites that would list the best over the counter supplements to check into and also keep up with new supplements without biased opinions due to sponsers of certain products and etc.Anyone got any good links to find such sites?

I basically been using wikipedia's profiles to help with deciding if a supplement is worth trying or not.I take B=12 Injectable,B-Complex Injectable,ECA Stack (Epehdra,Caffeine,Aspirin) preworkout,Whey protein,Acetyl-L-carnitine powder,& Fish Oil.All of these supplemens have pretty good positive profiles of working according to wikipedia.

Here's some wiki helped me decide not to take with quotes in their profiles.

ZMA - ZMA is claimed to raise strength levels, but studies don't show consistent results. In 2004, a study funded by a research grant from Cytodyne (another supplement producing company) with 42 resistance trained males showed that ZMA supplementation had no significant effects on total and free testosterone, IGF-1, growth hormone, cortisol, the ratio of cortisol to testosterone, or muscle and liver enzymes in response to training. No significant effects were observed in changes in strength, upper or lower body muscle endurance, or anaerobic sprint capacity [3].

In another study done in 2006, a team of German scientists conducted a study on the effect of ZMA and testosterone levels in the body[4]. The result showed an increase in zinc secretions in urine, but no effect on the level of testosterone in the body.

DHEA - a placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial reported in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2006 found that DHEA supplementation in elderly men and women had no beneficial effects on body composition, physical performance, insulin sensitivity, or quality of life.

DHEA supplements are sometimes used as muscle-building or performance-enhancing drugs by athletes. However, a randomized placebo-controlled trial found that DHEA supplementation had no (statistically significant) effect on lean body mass, strength, or testosterone levels.

Because DHEA must first be converted to androstenedione and then to testosterone in men, it has two chances to aromatize into estrogen - estrone from androstenedione, and estradiol from testosterone. As such, it is possible that supplementation with DHEA could increase estrogen levels more than testosterone levels in men

Creatine - some studies show no ergogenic effect at all.Studies in endurance athletes have been less than promising, most likely because these activities are sustained at a given intensity and thus do not allow for significant intra-exercise synthesis of additional creatine phosphate molecules. Ingesting creatine can increase the level of phosphocreatine in the muscles up to 20%. It must be noted creatine has no significant effect on aerobic endurance, though it will increase power during short sessions of high-intensity aerobic exercise.

Enzyte - its effectiveness has been called into doubt and the claims of the manufacturer have been under scrutiny from various state and federal organizations.In March 2006, following thousands of consumer complaints to the Better Business Bureau, Federal agents raided Berkeley facilities, gathering material that resulted in a 112-count criminal indictment. The company's founder and CEO, Steve Warshak, and his mother, Harriett Warshak, were found guilty of conspiracy to commit mail fraud, bank fraud, and money laundering, and in September 2008 were sentenced to prison and ordered to forfeit $500 million in assets.[1] The convictions and fines forced the company into bankruptcy, and in December 2008 its assets were sold for $2.75 million to investment company Pristine Bay, which continued operations.[2]

ExtenZe - In 2006 ExtenZe agreed to pay the Orange County, California district attorney’s office $300,000 in civil penalties for unfair business practices and false advertising. Susan Kang Schroeder of the DA office said the company couldn’t back up its claim that the pills caused users’ penises to grow 27%. After several customers in Laguna Beach, California complained to the Better Business Bureau that ExtenZe was making them sick, the district attorney investigated. Investigations revealed that ExtenZe’s lead content was beyond the legal limits.[1]

In discussing a similar "male enhancement" product, Dr. Ira Sharlip, a spokesman for the American Urological Association, said "There is no such thing as a penis pill that works. These are all things that are sold for profit. There's no science or substance behind them

A handfull of Bodybuilding and anabolic websites helped me decide to stay away from these vet injectables after reading countless post over the years or longer that the small if any benefits from these are not worth the everyday injects or effort.

Adenosine-5'-triphosphate (ATP),Adenosine monophosphate (AMP),Kynsoselen,L-Carnitine Injectable

But from what ive read of Adenosine Monophosphate (AMP) used precontest vasodilator seems to be pretty concrete and usefull though.

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Old 10-29-2009, 08:27 AM
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Any site you go to will post up the company ad for each individual product. The only time you may not see an ad is if you are buying something in bulk, then they might just make a quick statement about what it's used for.

As far as making decisions from wikipedia, do what makes you happy. Remember that wikipedia is nothing set in stone and can still put up information that is not 100% accurate.

I have tried numerous products over the years and many did not do what they claimed, but many also may have and I just could not tell. Creatine is one that absolutely works. For me I prefer ethyl ester or gluconate as the monohydrate tends to make me cramp and bloat as well as give me intestinal discomfort(most likely because of it's low absorption rate). For other people mono is fine and they have no issues.

ZMA is supposed to help aid in recovery. I have used it, and would still take, but will no longer actively purchase. Zinc does have a function in healing and building your immune system, just not sure there is any way for you to prove or disprove how well it is working to speed recovery when there are so many other variables involved from diet, training , and rest.

If something sounds interesting, post up and ask people about thier experiences with that supp before you get it. If something sounds too good to be true it most likely is. If you want to tweak something in particular and add a supplement that can enhance it ask, you will get much better responses being specific over making a broad statement question like "what supplements work?".
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