want to get more lean and cut

[genao87]

i was wondering about the products out there that will help get you more lean and cut. i am not trying to get more mass, just trying to look more shredded.

i have tried over the counter steroids such as Recomp Havoc and P-Plex. though they made my libido zero for such a long time and usually it is hard to keep the gains.

so i am going away from steroids and looking at Human Growth Hormones or any other products that can help aid me in that and keep the results. already know about sleeping, and eating right, supplements, etc.

so far i have look into Syntherol Oil and Syntheselen but quite of bit of info on and it involves syringes which i hate.

are there any oral versions or through the skin.

[pesty4077]

Being lean and cut involves diet the most.

[BULKING_N]

There are just too many things we dont know yet to make an honest appraisal as to what you need to do. HOw long have you been training, your eating habits etc. It makes no sense adding jet fuel to a 2 piston engine.. For the time being, just feed off here and focus on training hard, be patient and with time, the muscle will come.. Key word ; PATIENCE

[michelin]

Originally Posted by pesty4077

Being lean and cut involves diet the most.

just what Pesty said

[genao87]

i have been training for a few years now, on and off. had to move to a new state, get married, divorce, blah blah. not a pro but just a regular joe

been limiting the amount of carbs, fat, eating enough protein & carbs after workouts and such. i been through it all, with the over counter steroids, etc.

i just want some products that give a more permanent result to a more cut body. already being doing the diet, exercise, etc. i got that basic knowledge.

i just want a boost now or a little shortcut.

seems growth hormones like the Synthenol Oil and some other products from that company has what i am looking for since you can inject and make some muscles grow . though i am unknowledgeable when it comes to Human Growth Hormones, I know there is a huge thread involving Synthenol but that is what it is, HUGE and I dont have time to digest all that stuff.

i hope someone give me a certain rundown of Synthenol and some other products out there.

[pesty4077]

Originally Posted by genao87

i have been training for a few years now, on and off. had to move to a new state, get married, divorce, blah blah. not a pro but just a regular joe

been limiting the amount of carbs, fat, eating enough protein & carbs after workouts and such. i been through it all, with the over counter steroids, etc.

i just want some products that give a more permanent result to a more cut body. already being doing the diet, exercise, etc. i got that basic knowledge.

i just want a boost now or a little shortcut.

seems growth hormones like the Synthenol Oil and some other products from that company has what i am looking for since you can inject and make some muscles grow . though i am unknowledgeable when it comes to Human Growth Hormones, I know there is a huge thread involving Synthenol but that is what it is, HUGE and I dont have time to digest all that stuff.

i hope someone give me a certain rundown of Synthenol and some other products out there.

First of all syntherol is not a growth hormone. I suggest you do a search on here and read all the info you can. Syntherol works, but can also be dangerous if misuse.

[source]

keto diet bro its amazing if done right

[genao87]

im researching as i post in this forum on Synthernol, but that thread is so damn huge, i was wondering if anyone just had a good summary from start to finish in taking it, from what i read, it has to be done with a needle which i hate.

can you explain the Keto diet Source bro?

also what are some good HGH then that will help make you grow leaner and shredded?

[BiggJuicy]

I am gonna let you in on a few secrets of the trade; Do your own research and we will be a little more willing to help you. If you don't have the patience to digest all the information in these threads then you sure as hell don't have enough patience to build quality muscle mass and get lean. Simple facts bro. Oh, and if you hate needles then why do you want to use growth and syntherol? The only way you can use them is with needles. And that goes for the majority of AAS too bro. The most effective ones at least. Also, I don't think you have your diet and training down as well as you believe you do. Hire a personal trainer and do some more research, or digesting as you put it, then come back here with some more inteligent questions and we will be more than happy to help. This is just my opinion by the way. It may not reflect the opinions of the rest of the board members. Please don't take it personaly.

[BiggJuicy]

BigA's growth Principles-

This is a general guide for beginning and intermediate bodybuilders that don't know the principles behind muscle growth yet or are not happy with the results that they are currently getting.

We will go through training, diet and gear. I will
tell you the principles behind everything that I
recommend for you to do, so you can understand why
certain things happen, so in the future you can fix
problems yourself.
Bodybuilding is a very simple and logical endeavour.
Everything that you do has to be logical. Only logical
actions will give you results. Every time that you
come across a new principle, always ask yourself it it
makes logical sense. If it does not, dump it!

TRAINING

Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When
does it have to adapt? When you expose it to something
that it has not done before. When is something that it
has not done before? When the muscle is taxed 100%.
That's 100% effort. What's 100% effort? When you train
to 100% PHYSICAL, not mental failure. So, to make the
muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort
otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow.
Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial
to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100%
effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then,
what is the point to do a second set of that exercise?
You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has
been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should
you do a second one? You will just eat into your
recovery ability.
So, you should only do one set to failure per
exercise. Later on, I will describe the training
program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.

A muscle will not grow until it's recovered. The
muscle will not begin to recover until the nervous
system is recovered. It takes roughly 24hours for the
nervous system to recover from a workout. Only then
will the muscle begin to recover and grow. So, you
should never train 2 days in a row. Even if you train
different bodyparts, you still use the same nervous
system. You train 2 days in a row, your nervous system
recovers, but by the time the muscles begin to, you
train again, so the body has to concentrate again on
recovering the nervous system.
A training frequency of 3 days per week (Mon, Wed,
Fri) is more than enough. Numerous pros, including
myself, train like this offseason for maximum growth.
Even if you use streroids, you still have to train
like this. Steroids increase your recovery ability,
but they also make you stronger at a quicker rate. The
extra strength will give you the ability to train
harder/tear more muscle tissue, so you will need the
extra recovery that the steroids will give you.

The following is a great training program that I
recomend:

Mon - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
* Incline press - warm-up sets, 1 work set
* Flat flyes - 1 work set
* Millitary press - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lateral flyes - 1 work set
* Rear delt machine - 1 work set
* Tricep pushdowns - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lying tricep extensions - 1 work-set

Wed - Quads, Hams, Calves
* Squats - warm-ups, 1 work set
* Leg press - work set
* Leg extension - work set
* Leg curl - warm-up, work set
* Stiff leg deadlift - work set
* Standing calf raise - work set

Fri - Abs, Back, Bis
* Rope crunches - warm up, work set
* Lat pull down - warm-ups, work set
* Deadlift - warm-up, work set
* Bent-over rows - work set
* Shrugs - work set
* Standing BB curls - warm up, work set
* Concentration curl - work set

You do a lot of warm-ups for your first exercise of
the day. You do one warm-up for the first exercise of
each bodypart, only to optimise the firing of te
neuropathways.
Let's use chest as an example - if for example your
max (work set) in the incline press is 3 plates, then
you do 2 warm-ups with the bar, 2 warm-ups with one
plate, 1 warm-up with 2 plates and then your work set
with 3 plates. The work set is a set where you fail at
about 6 reps. Every workout, you have to do more reps
or increase the weight in that work set (remember, the
muscle has to do something that it has not done
before). So if one work out you fail with 6 reps, the
following nothing less than 7. When you reach 8 reps,
the following workout you should do (increase) a
weight where you can do minimum 4 reps. Then increase
your reps again every workout until you reach 8 again,
and so on. Each rep has a tempo of 2-1-1. That is 2
seconds in the negative, one second in the contraction
and 1 second in the positive.
Then, after you fail in the incline press, you move
straight to flat flyes. You do not need a warmp now
because your chest is more than warm after you failed
on presses.
And that's it for chest. The basic routine stays the
same. If you want variety, small changes as using DB's
instead of BB or doing flat presse and incline flyes
for example, is mor ethan enough variety to keep the
muscle 'confused'.

DIET
VERY simple. Very important that you try to get as
close to 500g of protein per day. Easiest way to do
that is to have a whey protein shake in water with
every meal. Fats and carbs don't matter. Calories
don't count, macro nutrients (protein, fat, carb) do.
If you get to add fat on, just cut out the fats and
keep your carbs bellow 300g/day. That's all it is!
Very simple, but hard to stick to, so not many people
get results. On gear, the more protein you eat, the
more you grow. Is as simple as that. Gear maximises
protein synthesis.

GEAR
You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty.
You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is
plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like
d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.
You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral
is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half
way point between the off oral period - so 2 weeks
after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If
the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4
weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off.
The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are
saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your
health is OK. If you are still making progress, your
receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your
gains. That's why I do not believe in set time frames
for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the
oral, you need to use all the liver aids available - Synthergine,
Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc. Of course you
cannot drink or do rec drugs during that time. Using
these precautions, your blood tests will be OK.
You also need to use an anti estrogen like Nolvadex at
10mg/d throughout the whole time. Also, you have a
choice between HCG every 4 weeks at 5000IU or Clomid
at 50mg EOD. These will make sure that your balls will
stay at a decent size and they will not forget how to
function.
The blood tests that you need are: full blood count,
liver and kidney function tests, FSH, LH, TSH,
cholesterol.
If the Total protein test in the liver tests is high,
that is because of your diet. You need to keep an eye
on the Billirubin and Urea test results. Your FSH and
LH will be suppressed - that's normal because of the
gear. If the TSH is low, add 20mcg/d T3. If the kidney
function is off, then drink more. Protein stresses the
kidneys, so you need more fluids.
When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure
that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic
over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One
week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar
(oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will
keep your gains.
Ideally do a gainkeeper's formula that is outlined in another article.

These are the basic principles behind muscle growth. You do the above you will GROW, no matter what.


This was posted by BIGA a while back. It is a sticky in the begginers section of this forum, where you should be studying right now. I posted this to give you a jump start bro. Do you see what can be gained if you take the time to digest?

[genao87]

Originally Posted by BiggJuicy

I am gonna let you in on a few secrets of the trade; Do your own research and we will be a little more willing to help you. If you don't have the patience to digest all the information in these threads then you sure as hell don't have enough patience to build quality muscle mass and get lean. Simple facts bro. Oh, and if you hate needles then why do you want to use growth and syntherol? The only way you can use them is with needles. And that goes for the majority of AAS too bro. The most effective ones at least. Also, I don't think you have your diet and training down as well as you believe you do. Hire a personal trainer and do some more research, or digesting as you put it, then come back here with some more inteligent questions and we will be more than happy to help. This is just my opinion by the way. It may not reflect the opinions of the rest of the board members. Please don't take it personaly.

already hired a personal trainer and know about diets, rest and recovery after exercise, etc. like i said before, i only new to the Growth Hormone and Synthernol. i am not new to steroids since i have been taking them for sometime.

i am willing to digest the information. i was just asking for a summary to help speed things up a little. if you dont have it, dont worry about it.

as for your needle comment, yes i do hate them but i didn't say that i was not willing to use them.

well i didnt take it personally but i am a little offended on your little comment about more intelligent questions. the whole reason was just to get which products besides steroids to help achieve a more leaner physic a little quicker and permanent.

looks like i will just research the Sythernol for now.

[pesty4077]

Originally Posted by genao87

already hired a personal trainer and know about diets, rest and recovery after exercise, etc. like i said before, i only new to the Growth Hormone and Synthernol. i am not new to steroids since i have been taking them for sometime.

i am willing to digest the information. i was just asking for a summary to help speed things up a little. if you dont have it, dont worry about it.

as for your needle comment, yes i do hate them but i didn't say that i was not willing to use them.

well i didnt take it personally but i am a little offended on your little comment about more intelligent questions. the whole reason was just to get which products besides steroids to help achieve a more leaner physic a little quicker and permanent.

looks like i will just research the Sythernol for now.

I can tell by your posts you don't know alot. Syntherol is SEO and does not make you leaner. You evidentually never listen to my response on post #2. You are looking for shortcuts that aren't there to lean quality gains. You have a trainer? How comes he isn't educating you, if he is that good?
How old are you? How long have you been training? What do you weigh and what is your bodyfat? What is your training like? Maybe if you answer some simple questions you would get a better response. Other then that, we can't help you without knowing the complete picture.

[genao87]

Originally Posted by pesty4077

I can tell by your posts you don't know alot. Syntherol is SEO and does not make you leaner. You evidentually never listen to my response on post #2. You are looking for shortcuts that aren't there to lean quality gains. You have a trainer? How comes he isn't educating you, if he is that good?
How old are you? How long have you been training? What do you weigh and what is your bodyfat? What is your training like? Maybe if you answer some simple questions you would get a better response. Other then that, we can't help you without knowing the complete picture.

i read your post man, and i was just responding to the others. i dont know alot about Growth Hormone or Synthernol, that is true and wanted to know about them.

if you met my trainer, he will basically want to shoot people like the ones in this board since he hates folks who use enhancement drugs.

anyway just forget it bro, i will just research on my own right now about Synthernol Oil and giving some permanent results.

[BiggJuicy]

You are not really making that much sense bro. I think you are either being dishonest with us or yourself about some things. And why the hell do you keep bringing up syntherol? Trust me it will not help you "acheive a more leaner physic" dude.

Go do some research................

[brother_iron]

In this order for me for most effective

Diet --> light cardio --> GH --> tren

[Nikopapp]

It's syntherol- not synthernol.

Again, why would you be looking into this to get leaner???

You never did answer what your stats are, diet looks like, or what your training is like.

You would get a lot more respect and help if you would provide that first, instead of demanding cliffnotes on products that you don't need for your stated goals.

[Alchemist]

Dude sounds like a retard! Seriously LISTEN to these guys, they really KNOW whats they are talking about. This isn't just some internet board this is PROFESSIONAL MUSCLE! These guys are pro's at this shit. Syntherol isn't gonna do a squirt of piss for you. If you want to lean out look into an ECA stack or Clen added to your DIET and TRAINING. And btw you haven't "done steroids" already if you're talking about the OTC shit. If you really had tried the juice you'd know about some of this stuff you're asking about. If you ask retarded ass'd questions, you're gonna get retarded ass'd answers! So don't go whining about our responses when you CLEARLY haven't provided enough information about yourself for us to be able to HELP!

[BiggJuicy]

Originally Posted by Alchemist

Dude sounds like a retard! Seriously LISTEN to these guys, they really KNOW whats they are talking about. This isn't just some internet board this is PROFESSIONAL MUSCLE! These guys are pro's at this shit. Syntherol isn't gonna do a squirt of piss for you. If you want to lean out look into an ECA stack or Clen added to your DIET and TRAINING. And btw you haven't "done steroids" already if you're talking about the OTC shit. If you really had tried the juice you'd know about some of this stuff you're asking about. If you ask retarded ass'd questions, you're gonna get retarded ass'd answers! So don't go whining about our responses when you CLEARLY haven't provided enough information about yourself for us to be able to HELP!

Exactly.................