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Old 01-10-2012, 08:14 PM
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Masteron, Test, Deca cycle

Looking for some advice on a cycle that I am starting with 100mg test cyp EOD, 100mg deca EOD, 100mg Masteron EOD (Masteron is a derivative of DHT (chemical name: 2a-methyl-dihydro-testosterone propionate) for those unfamiliar with it. I am also using 250 ius of HCG EOD and .25mg arimidex EOD. Iíll probably run this for 8 weeks or so then go back to my TRT protocol discussed below.

I give my stats and history

I am 50 years old, 6í1Ē tall, 195-200 lbs, not much body fat. Been lifting since high school. Iíd say I have always taken it very seriously. Stopped from time to time but have been consistent since 1997.
I think I have tried many diet variations but believe I now eat better than I ever have with 200 to 300 grams of protein a day between my shakes and solid food. I donít eat much fat but Iím not perfect. I could eat more consistently but I manage the best I can. I vacillate between thinking Iím not eating enough since Iím not making any progress and thinking that I am getting fat.

History

I noticed a decline in the gym and my mood about 2.5 years ago and saw my hormone levels dropping so I started testosterone replacement therapy. Up till that point I had never done any gear. The TRT worked well. I was injecting 100 to 160 mg of test a week on an EOD basis and using the HCG EOD at 250 ius and the arimidex. My E2 levels after two years could not be lowered below 40 ug/ml even on 1mg of arimidex a day. Yes that is 1mg of arimidex a day. I tired aromasin and it did no better. I recently took a break from it and tried just using clomid supplemented by some liquid testosterone drops provided by my doctor. I spent close to 3 months with my blood tests showing only 25-35 ug/ml testosterone. On the TRT is was near 1000 for total and 300-400 free.

During that time (last January I ran a cycle of just Deca at 100mg EOD and achieved some good results but eventually found myself unable to reach an orgasm without a lot of work. I was on cabergoline and my blood work showed lower than normal prolactin. I have no idea what really was the problem but I could have been the Estrodiol (E2).

Present

So after having spent a few months on nothing Iím tired of feeling like I am slowly turning into a fat old fart. I started a topical testosterone compound applied every day, use the drops now and then, use the HCG and arimidex EOD.

I started the cycle last week and so far so good. I choose the masterone because it should control the E2. Iím using the same level of Deca as I did in the last cycle and increased the testosterone this time from 120mg a week last year to 350 a week.

Any and all comments welcome.
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Old 01-11-2012, 06:04 AM
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Sounds level headed. I'll share some experience that you can take or leave.
Anorgasmia is not uncommon on nandrolone. The problem is not caused by a lack of test per se and as such more test is generally not going to solve the problem. Given that you referenced low prolactin levels [which is often a culprit] there are a few other avenues to look down.
Now I like [actually love] the inclusion of masteron this time around. It will simultaneously give some so estrogen control as well as giving you a boost sexually. Won't be able to forecast exactly how you'll respond to it but I adore the use of low test and medium mast when running 19nor.
Two other things. I hope you have solid caber as opposed to liquid. Liquid never seems effective [even if you had ok prolactin levels]. Also running Deca for just 8 weeks is a bit of a quick run given that you'll spend several weeks just waiting for it to kick in not to mention when you stop it will take weeks to dissipate. If you like the compound I'd look to npp if you can get it if you prefer 8 weeks runs. I mean if you already got the deca than you gotta do what you gotta do.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:19 PM
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Last time I used both liquid and solid caber. I heard the liquid degrades so I think I'll order some solid caber. I have some liquid but it is from last year.

So far the Mast has really kicked up my libido especially since I spend several months with such low test levels. Regarding the 8 weeks of deca, Iíll run it longer if I feel ok on it and have enough to run 12 weeks. I did not realize the Deca would take a while to kick in.

The biggest problem I had was getting out of breath so easy after a number of weeks along with the anorgasmia. My doc gave me prescript for a topical test so I have been putting some on my dick to see if it improves the sensitivity. I read this somewhere.

So Iíll see if I can run this cycle for 12 weeks but not being able to climax or nearly passing out when I do is not something Iím willing to deal with. I was actually seeing all the veins in my chest over my heart turning dark blue during sex. I asked my doctor about it. I flexed real hard for her similar to what happens during sex and sure enough this blue veiny pattern showed up. She just said ďwell I have never seen anything like that beforeĒ. She ran an EKG which I thought would show nothing and it did. I actually think it still happens so Iím not sure it is related to the deca. It might just be vascularity close to the surface. I had a friend tell they noticed it when I work my chest. I should post a photo of it. Maybe then I could get some good in put on the problem or if it is even a problem.
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I've read a few places after about a month the liquid caber needs to start being dosed higher and higher as it degrades and loses effectiveness...I would definately throw yours away....I've used both and definately prefer the pill form...And I do .5 E3D....

Also deca took ~6 weeks for me to notice, at 300/week
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:21 PM
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6 weeks

6 weeks, maybe that is why so many guys cycles include something for a kick start. Something to think about in the future.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:42 PM
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Last cycle I had issues with delayed ejaculation which I suspect were from E2 levels too LOW. Just something to keep in mind... There's definitely a sweet spot for estrogen. For me it seems to be around 30.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:50 PM
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Now I like [actually love] the inclusion of masteron this time around. It will simultaneously give some so estrogen control as well as giving you a boost sexually. Won't be able to forecast exactly how you'll respond to it but I adore the use of low test and medium mast when running 19nor.
I like this philosophy, although I haven't tried it yet. It's funny how every board has it's own unique ideas. My next run will be Test-e 200mg/wk, Deca 500mg/wk, Mast 300mg/wk. On my "home" board almost every single person cautioned against this cycle...
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:23 AM
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I like this philosophy, although I haven't tried it yet. It's funny how every board has it's own unique ideas. My next run will be Test-e 200mg/wk, Deca 500mg/wk, Mast 300mg/wk. On my "home" board almost every single person cautioned against this cycle...
Oh that is encouraging. Maybe you could elaborate on why. I'm on some other boards, which one are you refering to.

Regarding E2, I noticed the first week my spontaneous were back and I was horney all the time. I think this week my e2 is comming up since I don't think I have had one lately and morning wood is down. I think I'll bump up the arimidex to .5 a day.

I wonder if the Mast is only non aromitizing and not at all an inhibitor or blocker. I know it was developed to lower estrogen in women so that seems not to be the case. I don't think I have ever been low for E2 so if I am it is a first. I know last year I thought several time or almost every time I went for a blood test that I would test low and I never did. I was alway high. I could get it up with cialis all night and could always cum even when my E2 was in the 40 range but the deca really made it hard to cum. I really hope to avoid that this time. Maybe this time I can keep the e2 down since I was off everything for past three months.

I just ordered some 200mg/ml mast since what I have is only 100mg/ml and I have actually only been on 175 mg/week. I just really hate injecting more than half a cc into one location. Maybe if I get longer needles but then I go above 28 gauge and that is a big hole to punch. Call me a pussy but that is still a lot of big holes.
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:58 PM
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Pramipexole or Cabergoline

Just trying to decide which to use. I have not noticed any high prolactin sides yet but ordered some solid cabergoline and remembered I had some Pramipexole.

I read so much good about the Parmi before trying it last year. I did notice the sleep issues with it. I don't think the cabergoline had any noticable side affects like sleepyness. Any body have any opinions regarding the two.
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