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Old 11-24-2009, 09:48 AM
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GW1516/AICAR.....ANYONE??

Anyone ever tried that combo,sounds very interesting and from what i understand its kind of like a SAFER form of DNP(in a way....)-doesnt cause any of the sides you get from DNP due to the different mechanism in the body,but works more at a genetic level which is the way to go these days imo.Here is some interesting info:

Studies have shown that GW1516, an agonist of peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor δ (PPAR- δ) and amp-activated protein kinase can mimic some of the beneficial effects of exercise in skeletal muscle without really exerting an effort to exercise (Narkar et al. 2008). Studies reported that the signaling of AMPK and that of PPAR are interacting which then results to many adaptations in skeletal muscle. This has been shown in treadmill running tests in mice where pathway-specific drugs endurance capacities were targeted. The investigators found out that the PPAR-delta agonist and training synergistically increase the oxidative myofibers and running endurance in adult mice (Narkar et al. 2008). This is the same with the arguments of Wade (2008) who reported that mouse was supercharged to 75% increase endurance when coupled with exercise.

This has been supported by another investigation conducted by Oliveret al. (2001) where they reported that GW1516 increased expression of the reverse cholesterol transporter ATP-binding cassette A1 as observed in cells of the intestine, fibroblasts and macrophages. Furthermore, they reported that the agonist hormone the apolipoprotein A1-specific efflux of cholesterol. When they administered the drug to the middle-aged rhesus monkeys which develops spontaneous adult-onset obesity, they found out that the drug increased the serum high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (79%), which is the good cholesterol. The ratio was between HDLC and total cholesterol was also improved among all doses used. The administration of which is dose-dependent accompanied with decrease in the concentration of low-density lipoproteins. Decrease in the fasting triglycerides was also observed with the rate of 56%. This decrease if further complemented with the decrease in VLDL (50% decrease) when plasma of the monkeys were analyzed. The study then has clearly demonstrated that administration of the GW1516 allowed the rhesus monkeys to maintain glucose concentrations in the normal range despite the fact that they are hyperinsulinemic, suggesting potential clinical applications in treating and managing diabetes (Oliver et al. 2001).

Another hormone or synthetically produce , AICAR, has been shown to cause mice to experience the benefits of exercise without actually doing it. In addition, other studies demonstrated that 44% increase in resistance and endurance was observed in stagnant mouse, and could be tripled when coupled with GW1516 (Goodyear, 2008).

References:

Goodyear LJ. (2008). The exercise pill- too good to be true? Clin implications of basic res, 359(17):1842-1844.

De Lange P, Lombardi A, Silvestri E, Goglia F, Lianni A and Moreno M. (2008). Peroxisome Proliferator-Activated Receptor Delta: A Conserved Director of Lipid Homeostasis through Regulation of the Oxidative Capacity of Muscle. PPAR Research, 172676.

Narkar VA, Downes M, Yu RT, et al. (2008). AMPK and PPARdelta agonists are exercise mimetics. Cell, 134:405-415

Oliver WR, Shenk JL, Snaith MR, Russell CS, Plunket KD, Bodkins NL, Lewis MC, Winegar DA, Sznaidman ML, Lambert MH, Xu EH, Sternbach DD, Kliewer SA, Hansen BC and Willson TM. (2001). A selective peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor δ agonist promotes reverse cholesterol transport. PNAS, 98(9):5306-5311.

Warden SJ and Fuchs RK. (2008). Are "exercise pills"
Acadesine (5-amino-1-[ß-D-ribofuranosyl]imidazole-4-carboxamide), also known as AICAR, is a protein that is an amp-activated protein kinase activator (Menasche et al. 1995). It is a prototype hormone which belongs to a newly recognized classification of therapeutic compounds/agents called adenosine-regulating agents because they primarily induce the increase in the local availability of adenosine, especially for the adenosine triphosphate depleted regions or tissues (Gruber et al. 1989). Its structural conformation is shown as the following:



Chemical properties:

Molecular Formula: C9H14N4O5
Molecular Weight: 258.23
Melting Point: 214-2150C

An important characteristic of Aicar is its ability to elicit inhibition for the production of lipids or lipogenesis through increased phosphorylation of acetyl-coA carboxylase (ACC). This has been shown in mice adipocytes when AICAR was administered and an increased activation of the cellular amp-activated protein kinase was observed (Sullivan et al. 1994). The same effects have been observed in sedentary mice that have been treated with AICAR for 4 weeks. They observed that there still induced metabolic genes and even enhanced running endurance by 44% (Narkar et al. 2009). This suggests that Aicar can be used to target the PPAR receptors to elicit exercise-like effects and benefits.

Other studies also demonstrated that the effects of Aicar are enhanced when combined with GW1516. This has been demonstrated in the sedentary mice which produced a transcriptional profile that is unique (189 genes). The interesting thing on this is that, most of the genes (52) out of the 189 genes actually overlapped with many of the genes that have been shown to be regulated by exercise. However, the cultures of muscles from mice have also shown that there is a need for the PPAR-delta for the two hormones (AICAR and GW1516) to take effect (Gough et al. 2008).

The chemical reactivity of acadesine was reported to be silent in normal conditions, meaning when ATP concentrations are in the normal levels, but becomes functional when the said phosphate form is decreased (Mullane 1993). Because of its ability to harvest the positive effects of the protective autocoid without the limiting effects associated with using adenosine as the substrate or a congineer of adenosine, it has been exploited and applied in different medical medications to treat illnesses and abnormalities such ischamia and its sequelae. Acadesine was found to protect the organ from injury during the onset of ischemia (Galinanes et al. 1992). This has been shown in preliminary studies in rats suffering from ischemia, Aicar was applied through perfusion; functional recovery from the illness was immediately observed (2.5 hours). It has also been shown that acadesine reacts immediately and hastily with hypochlorous acid (HOCl) which then provides protection over a number of critical biological targets (Bullough et al. 1993). This has been supported by a number of other studies which also concluded that acadesine indeed offers a cardioprotective effects. Such treatments have also been supplemented to human patients who are suffering from ischemia and/or coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG). Furthermore, acadesine has been proven in clinical studies to prevent aggregation of clotting of blood platelets. Also, it improves contractile functioning of the ventricles in postischemic events, decreases the level of free-radical and oxidant-induced cardiac damages (Matthew et al. 1995); however, it was also demonstrated to have no effect in superoxide anions that were generated by xanthine-xanthine oxidase or hydrogen peroxide induced peroxidation (Bullough et al. 1993). In addition, it also allows adherence of the inhibitneutrophil (PMN) to endothelium and inhibits the accumulation of the PMN in the myocardium experiencing ischemia (Levin et al. 1990).

References:

Bullough AD, Potter S, Fox MH, Zhang C, Metzner EK and Mullane KM. (1993). Acadesine prevents oxidant-induced damage in the isolated guinea pig heart. J Pharmacol Exp Therap, 266(2):666-672.
Galinanes M, Bullough D, Mullane KM and Hearse DJ. (1992). Sustained protection by acadesine against ischemia- and reperfusion-induced injury. Studies in the transplanted rat heart. J Amer Heart Assoc, 86:589-597.
Gough NR. (2008). The benefits of exercise without the sweat. Sci Signal, 1(32):ec284.

Gruber HE, Hoffer ME, McAllister DR, et al. Increased adenosine concentration in blood from ischemic myocardium by AICA riboside: effects on flow, granulocytes and injury. Circulation 1989;80:1400-11
Levin R, Eberle M, Marchetta P, Cronstein B. Stimulation of adenosine release from human endothelial cells inhibits neutrophil function [Abstract]. Circulation 1990;82:111-77.
Mathew JP, Rinder CS, Tracey JB, Auszura LA, O’Connor T, Davis E and Smith BR. (1995). Acadesine inhibits neutrophil CD11b up-regulation in vitro and during in vivo cardiopulmonary bypass. J Thorac Cardiovasc Surg, 109:448-456.
Menasche P, Jamieson WR, Flameng W and Davies MK. (1995). Acadesine: A new drug that may improve myocardial protection in coronary artery bypass grafting. J Thorac Cardiovasc Surg, 110:1096-1106.
Mullane K. (1993). Acadesine: the prototype adenosine regulating agent for reducing myocardial ischaemic injury. Cardiovasc Res, 27(1):43-7.
Narkar V, Downes M, yu R, Embler E, wang Y, banayo E, Mihaylova M, Nelson M, Zou Y and Juguilon H. (2009). AMPK and PPARδ Agonists Are Exercise Mimetics. Cell, 134(3):405-415.
Sullivan JE, Brocklehurst JK, Marley AE, Carey F, Carling CF and Beri RK. (1994). Inhibition of lipolysis and lipogenesis
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WOW 75% more! Once you get some I would love to see a log on your research bro!
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:36 AM
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Great read. Thanks, Muscledoc!
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Amount of time one "combo" bottle last...............

Curious as to how long it can be expected for a combo bottle to last?

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I would also like to know how long it would last, and what a proper cycle would be?
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:31 PM
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It is on sale but it is still expensive shizz!
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:41 AM
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I am also wondering any experiences with this stuff. Any dosing ideas? anything????
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:43 AM
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One 30ml bottle of gw1516 will last 30 days - 5mg a day. You need about 200mg aicar to go along with gw1516. 10-20mg of aicar eod. I picked up the special truepeptides was having and the coupon worked to. Will be running after the holidays..
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keep a log bro.....people are VERY interested in how this compound works in real life
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One 30ml bottle of gw1516 will last 30 days - 5mg a day. You need about 200mg aicar to go along with gw1516. 10-20mg of aicar eod. I picked up the special truepeptides was having and the coupon worked to. Will be running after the holidays..
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Hows it going? Start the protocol yet?
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Bump any word yet???
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Anyone have any idea how sensitive this is to loss of vacuum or to moderately high temps? I'm hoping it's more robust, like HCG.
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top ten cheat drugs used in last and nexty Olympics....

I looking for the link but it mentioned

-EPO
-ACIAR
-GW1516
-IGF
-HGH
-AAS

So just in those 6 off the top of my head 4 of the 10 (out of the 6 listed) are .
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Just got gw1516 Is this stuff taken orally? A pump in the mouth or what? Any dosing ideas? salso for aicar?
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One 30ml bottle of gw1516 will last 30 days - 5mg a day. You need about 200mg aicar to go along with gw1516. 10-20mg of aicar eod. I picked up the special truepeptides was having and the coupon worked to. Will be running after the holidays..
Is that 5mg a day spread out, right before the activity, or some other way of doing it? I am very interested in these compounds to help me with strongman but need help in knowing the best dosage to take and when to take it.
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Just got gw1516 Is this stuff taken orally? A pump in the mouth or what? Any dosing ideas? salso for aicar?
I'm stunned by this question
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I'm stunned by this question
mispelling??? It should have said stupid! I am stunned by answer. Does that mean you don't know? Does anyone know or are ioiots just putting up posts to increase their numbers with meaning and unhelpful posts.
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Now I thought it was 400mgs AICAR/month since that is found as part of a month combo.
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