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I've seen this question asked time and time again and I thought it would be worthwhile to create a separate thread to address this more specifically.
Typically Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca-Durabolin) and Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (NPP) are very hair safe Steroids. Deca/NPP is slightly more anabolic than testosterone with a rating of 125 compared to testosterone’s rating of 100. However, it is significantly less androgenic with a rating of only 37, compared to Testosterone’s rating of 100. The low androgen rating is due to the Nandrolone hormone converting to dihydronandrolone (DHN) instead of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the body. This low androgen rating and zero DHT conversion makes it an ideal steroid for those who wish to avoid the acceleration of hair loss/male pattern baldness.
Unfortunately, the only really hair safe steroids aside from Deca/NPP are Anavar and Primobolan. Both of which are very mild compounds results wise compared to what Deca/NPP are capable of. The really heavy hitting Steroids typically feature a high androgen rating, or convert heavily to DHT. Most bodybuilders will eventually want to experiment outside of the realm of Deca/NPP, Anavar, Primo and low doses of Testosterone, and this is where hair loss becomes a real concern. Even with moderate dosages of Testosterone (which should be a base in any Steroid cycle), those prone to male pattern baldness could very likely experience greatly accelerated and noticeable hair loss. This is where combatting DHT comes into play, and the first thing most doctors will tell you to take to combat hair loss is Finasteride. Daily dosing of Finasteride for hair loss prevention can reduce serum DHT levels in the body by 60-70%. This can be enough to offset hair loss for some, but there are some VERY crucial factors that many don’t consider.
Finasteride is a type 2 DHT inhibitor. It won’t prevent hair loss from compounds other than testosterone and its’ derivatives. As Finasteride only blocks type 2 DHT, all other DHT drugs will still murder your hairline and Finasteride won’t block any of the DHT from those. So, Finasteride will absolutely not be effective against DHT created by Dianabol, Trenbolone, Anadrol, Winstrol, Masteron, Equipoise, etc. Consequently, your options for steroids you can run will be severely limited, as you will essentially only have hair loss protection against mild doses of testosterone. Deca and NPP are hair friendly IF AND ONLY IF you ARE NOT on Finasteride or Dutasteride. If you are on those then it can result in a very bad reaction combined together that leads to a greatly accelerated rate of hair loss.
For the longest time, people said to never pair the two because it would result in a ridiculous amount of hair loss that would continue for up to 16 months. Sometime later, people claimed that this was simply an “old wives tale” and the combination wouldn’t cause increase hair loss.
LETS CLEAR THIS UP.
Here’s the answer –
NEVER PAIR FINASTERIDE WITH DECA OR NPP
When they are used concurrently, an interesting scenario unfolds; Finasteride is reduced via the 5AR enzyme to a metabolite, which is not as androgenic as DHT. In addition, the metabolite of Deca-Durabolin is less androgenic than the parent compound, which means that if your Finasteride is pre-occupied with the metabolite, Deca-Durabolin is more able to wreak havoc on the hairline. So in short, the potential of Nandrolone for hair loss is much more than the less androgenic metabolite (DHN- dihydronandrolone), so it’s a safe bet to stay away from it completely. I personally know several individuals who used Deca because it is such a hair safe drug, but they also started Finasteride because they were told by their Doctor that it is the best medication available for hair loss prevention, only to end up with a catastrophic reaction between the two compounds resulting in the devastation of their hair.
If you are on Finasteride or Dutasteride, STEER CLEAR OF DECA AND NPP. If you use Deca with Finasteride and have no issues with hair loss, you probably weren’t genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness in the first place in my opinion.
If you want to use Deca or NPP and prevent hairloss, the only way to do this is to run a potent anti-androgen like RU58841.
RU58841 will topically prevent all DHT/androgens from wreaking havoc on your hair, relative to the dose used. Obviously the higher your dose of DHT derivatives or androgens exogenously being administered, the less likely you can totally offset the damage it can do, but I have found that using up to 100mg of RU is sufficient enough to mitigate the damage that can be caused by moderate dosages of most all AAS.
After experimenting with RU58841 with NPP myself, I can confidently say it does not induce the same reaction that NPP/Deca has with Finasteride. So there is hope if you want to run Nandrolone but keep your hair.
In Conclusion
RU58841 can be run safely with Deca and NPP without having to worry about that negative interaction that Deca/NPP has with Finasteride.
If you are interested in researching RU58841, I advise getting 3 pre-mixed RU58841 solutions to start off, and researching 50mg/day, and tapering up to no more than 100mg/day slowly on your research subject (if necessary) and in the absence of any negative side effects of course.
This should last you around 5-6 months, and is a solid time frame to assess how you respond to RU58841, and if you would like to continue your research past that point. In case you are wondering about the KB solution, I find it uncommon for someone’s scalp to be irritated by the PG/Ethanol to the point of needing KB solution instead as the carrier. They both work fine, some people just seem to have skin irritation to particular carriers as opposed to others, and PG/Ethanol is cheaper so I would advise starting with the pre-mixed solution that Chemyo already offers. Their HPLC reports are always on point with greater than 99% purity, so you can't go wrong with their RU.
Typically Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca-Durabolin) and Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (NPP) are very hair safe Steroids. Deca/NPP is slightly more anabolic than testosterone with a rating of 125 compared to testosterone’s rating of 100. However, it is significantly less androgenic with a rating of only 37, compared to Testosterone’s rating of 100. The low androgen rating is due to the Nandrolone hormone converting to dihydronandrolone (DHN) instead of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the body. This low androgen rating and zero DHT conversion makes it an ideal steroid for those who wish to avoid the acceleration of hair loss/male pattern baldness.
Unfortunately, the only really hair safe steroids aside from Deca/NPP are Anavar and Primobolan. Both of which are very mild compounds results wise compared to what Deca/NPP are capable of. The really heavy hitting Steroids typically feature a high androgen rating, or convert heavily to DHT. Most bodybuilders will eventually want to experiment outside of the realm of Deca/NPP, Anavar, Primo and low doses of Testosterone, and this is where hair loss becomes a real concern. Even with moderate dosages of Testosterone (which should be a base in any Steroid cycle), those prone to male pattern baldness could very likely experience greatly accelerated and noticeable hair loss. This is where combatting DHT comes into play, and the first thing most doctors will tell you to take to combat hair loss is Finasteride. Daily dosing of Finasteride for hair loss prevention can reduce serum DHT levels in the body by 60-70%. This can be enough to offset hair loss for some, but there are some VERY crucial factors that many don’t consider.
Finasteride is a type 2 DHT inhibitor. It won’t prevent hair loss from compounds other than testosterone and its’ derivatives. As Finasteride only blocks type 2 DHT, all other DHT drugs will still murder your hairline and Finasteride won’t block any of the DHT from those. So, Finasteride will absolutely not be effective against DHT created by Dianabol, Trenbolone, Anadrol, Winstrol, Masteron, Equipoise, etc. Consequently, your options for steroids you can run will be severely limited, as you will essentially only have hair loss protection against mild doses of testosterone. Deca and NPP are hair friendly IF AND ONLY IF you ARE NOT on Finasteride or Dutasteride. If you are on those then it can result in a very bad reaction combined together that leads to a greatly accelerated rate of hair loss.
For the longest time, people said to never pair the two because it would result in a ridiculous amount of hair loss that would continue for up to 16 months. Sometime later, people claimed that this was simply an “old wives tale” and the combination wouldn’t cause increase hair loss.
LETS CLEAR THIS UP.
Here’s the answer –
NEVER PAIR FINASTERIDE WITH DECA OR NPP
When they are used concurrently, an interesting scenario unfolds; Finasteride is reduced via the 5AR enzyme to a metabolite, which is not as androgenic as DHT. In addition, the metabolite of Deca-Durabolin is less androgenic than the parent compound, which means that if your Finasteride is pre-occupied with the metabolite, Deca-Durabolin is more able to wreak havoc on the hairline. So in short, the potential of Nandrolone for hair loss is much more than the less androgenic metabolite (DHN- dihydronandrolone), so it’s a safe bet to stay away from it completely. I personally know several individuals who used Deca because it is such a hair safe drug, but they also started Finasteride because they were told by their Doctor that it is the best medication available for hair loss prevention, only to end up with a catastrophic reaction between the two compounds resulting in the devastation of their hair.
If you are on Finasteride or Dutasteride, STEER CLEAR OF DECA AND NPP. If you use Deca with Finasteride and have no issues with hair loss, you probably weren’t genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness in the first place in my opinion.
If you want to use Deca or NPP and prevent hairloss, the only way to do this is to run a potent anti-androgen like RU58841.
RU58841 will topically prevent all DHT/androgens from wreaking havoc on your hair, relative to the dose used. Obviously the higher your dose of DHT derivatives or androgens exogenously being administered, the less likely you can totally offset the damage it can do, but I have found that using up to 100mg of RU is sufficient enough to mitigate the damage that can be caused by moderate dosages of most all AAS.
After experimenting with RU58841 with NPP myself, I can confidently say it does not induce the same reaction that NPP/Deca has with Finasteride. So there is hope if you want to run Nandrolone but keep your hair.
In Conclusion
RU58841 can be run safely with Deca and NPP without having to worry about that negative interaction that Deca/NPP has with Finasteride.
If you are interested in researching RU58841, I advise getting 3 pre-mixed RU58841 solutions to start off, and researching 50mg/day, and tapering up to no more than 100mg/day slowly on your research subject (if necessary) and in the absence of any negative side effects of course.
This should last you around 5-6 months, and is a solid time frame to assess how you respond to RU58841, and if you would like to continue your research past that point. In case you are wondering about the KB solution, I find it uncommon for someone’s scalp to be irritated by the PG/Ethanol to the point of needing KB solution instead as the carrier. They both work fine, some people just seem to have skin irritation to particular carriers as opposed to others, and PG/Ethanol is cheaper so I would advise starting with the pre-mixed solution that Chemyo already offers. Their HPLC reports are always on point with greater than 99% purity, so you can't go wrong with their RU.
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