therulersback PGE1 log ...

[therulersback]

Going to try logging my PGE1 experiments. Hopefully share my experience and get some feedback from other members.

so far i haven't had the consistency needed for meaningful results. i've done about 15 pins over the past 7 weeks. some earlier weeks up to 3-4 pins per week, but other weeks only done one or 2. it seems this is not sufficient to get results, so i need to aim for 3+ sessions and 9+ hrs a week.

i've been applying DMSO/PABA since June but about 5 weeks ago I had to scale down drastically there due to skin irritation. this is problematic for me because one of my main goals is to prevent / reverse some upward curve i have. damn curve robs me of length! I'm taking oral PABA now and trying to get back into DMSO application. (also looking into Phlojel as an alternative.)

Starting stats:

heg: ?
mseg: ?
beg: ?
bpel: ?

took a negative measurement while under pge1 today. not sure if this was a legit measurement meaning my previous measurement was flawed, or maybe ive had a major loss. also under pge1 my stats may not have been as good as otherwise. going to try to nail down base stats over the next week to have a baseline.

this protocol requires major time and dedication that i haven't been able to put together so far. the next 4 weeks will be a window to see if I can get tangible results ... !

 

[therulersback]

12/8

33 mcg PGE1
100 mcg TB4
30 mcg IGF-DES

2-3 erection

multiple <5 min DMSO/PABA applications
oral PABA
light stretching

got a late, less than 100% enthusiastic start today. lately i've been concerned that my curve is getting worse. been concerned that the strength of pge1 erections without any DMSO/PABA to soften the tissue may lead to more curvature. i had added jelqing after pinning the last couple times so I dropped that this time. 1.5 hrs in i took a measurement which was quite negative based on what I was expecting. I also felt my curve was bad today. so combining these factors I started my come down routine around the 2 hr mark and was below <30% by 3 hr mark.

 

[therulersback]

wow what a difference a little DMSO/PABA, oral PABA, and cialis can make in terms of measurement. definitely not measuring with pge1 going forward. definitely not having sex with it either ...

now if only i can get this kind of overnight improvement on my final exam ...

 

[richard johnson]

wow what a difference a little DMSO/PABA, oral PABA, and cialis can make in terms of measurement. definitely not measuring with pge1 going forward. definitely not having sex with it either ...

now if only i can get this kind of overnight improvement on my final exam ...

Thanks for the log.

I find that DMSO/PABA plumps up the skin. Has it helped any with you bend?

I think it's best to take measurements when not on PGE1 as that is the real growth that you have achieved.

 

[therulersback]

qualitatively i would say DMSO/PABA has made a marginal improvement in bend since I started in June. haven't measured appropriately so hard to say anything beyond gut feeling. i do think the tissue feels softer and more ready to expand when DMSO/PABA are in use.

alright after two post pge1 readings going to say starting stats for the log are:

heg: too hard to measure but about -1" from beg
mseg: 5.6"
beg: 5.75"
bpel: 8.3" (tricky to measure with curve, measured from 8.2-8.5")

this is somewhere from a 0.0-0.5" improvement in bpel and 0 in girth over the 15 pins I have done so far. measurements are a bit rough but hopefully now that i've established a baseline i'll be able to track future improvement.

curve felt much better vs sunday during pin. i've found before super hard chem induced erections from viagra make my unit go short and stubby, seems to be the case while under pge1 also. (cialis is much better in this regard.) also possible that some renewed DMSO/PABA applications helped.

speaking of v and c any of you guys tried "super viagra"? planning some havoc for after new years ... muhaha.

next pin scheduled tomorrow ... grad school exams are a biiiiiiitch.

 

[therulersback]

12/11

33 mcg PGE1
100 mcg TB4
30 mcg IGF-DES

nearly 4 hr erection

<5 min DMSO/PABA application
oral PABA
light stretching

wow best session ever today. ZERO pain, strong response. no need to use come down techniques. maybe hot shower first and overall reduced stress helped?

 

[eaglecall]

Thanks for the log. How much oral paba are you taking and how often?

 

[therulersback]

to be honest with you my oral PABA dosage has been far from scientific so far. i ordered some bulk PABA to mix with my DMSO, realized it was too much, so decided what the hell i'll just start taking some orally as well especially since DMSO has been questionable for me for the past two months. i'd guess i've been taking between 500mg - 1g once daily but not every day. thinking about getting some PABA pills to take instead so i don't have to worry about measuring or transporting bulk PABA while traveling, or having a good tasting drink for mixing the bulk which tastes disgusting with water.

 

[therulersback]

PGE1 giveth and PGE1 taketh ...

12/13

33 mcg PGE1
140 mcg TB4
30 mcg IGF-DES

3.5 hr erection (painful)

<5 min DMSO/PABA application before and after session
oral PABA
light stretching

dear lord. after Tues, my no pain day, I felt like this was something I could do every day. days like today make me question if it is really worth it.

started out poorly. tired / stressed / bad mindset. (flight tomorrow.) push through. immediately notice EQ is worse than prior days, minor pain from start, stubby, and curved. tried watching porn to stimulate and distract but my mind was on packing and gtfo of here tomorrow.

at 1 hr in I was not having fun. waited until 1.5 then took 120 mg sudafed XL crushed into powder. thing is, today, my unit would. not. go. down. problem is yesterday I had worked out my chest and was unable today to pound out enough push ups to get a good pump going in my chest, which always seems most effective in getting it down.

no effect from the sudafed. after hitting the 2.5 hr mark i took another ~45 mg crushed. still nothing by 2.75 so i resorted to an alternating cold/hot shower. this was not super effective but helped me deal with the dull pain that had built over the past few hrs. after a 30 min shower finally i got down under <30%.

i find it suspicious that stagestop, one of the pioneers in this game, never reported any pain. hopefully the pain is not indicative of gain because i would much rather have sessions like Tues than today. only differences were higher stress today and maybe my room was a few degrees colder. a painful, but fitting end to a semester that was the academic equivalent of getting my dick sledge-hammered. :banghead:

 

[joeboo]

Pain is the norm bro...

The only good news on that score I bring is that it works, if you are willing to endure it, the gains will come. I am at 7 days a week now and seeing better results than ever, but it's not easy at all...

 

[richard johnson]

days like today make me question if it is really worth it :banghead:

Totally agree. Some days you feel good and mentally pumped to have a good workout. Others, you feel scared/hesitant and want to do anything but this sh*t. In a month, this will be the first week where I've managed to pin every other day.

Do you find increasing the does increase the length of time of the erection but not the expansion/hardness?

 

[Yak14]

Dude just hang progessivly heavier weights... piss on jamming a needle in ur cock and keeping 4 hour planks.

 

[therulersback]

12/18

32 mcg PGE1
25 mcg IGF-DES

4 hr erection (sleeping)

interesting experiment today! injected right before sleep. Allowed ~10-20 minutes for removal of cockring then zzz. woke up right on schedule 3.75 hrs later to strong erection and very minor dull pain. was so tired i didn't want to go into full come down routine, so i just spanked one, felt erection subsiding, and went back to sleep.

can't tell for sure but it would seem i got 3.75 hrs in without having to worry about it. this is great news for time/pain management.

also i used a 30 gauge pin this time and no trouble

 

[therulersback]

Dude just hang progessivly heavier weights... piss on jamming a needle in ur cock and keeping 4 hour planks.

yea i've never been able to get hanging to work properly so this protocol represents a new hope for me

 

[therulersback]

12/19

32 mcg PGE1
20 mcg IGF-DES

3 hr erection (sleeping)

light stretching pre session

after the previous day's success i decided to try back to back days. set my alarm clock for 5 hrs this time thinking the erection would subside on it's own by then. however, much more pain this time and i woke up around the 2.25 hr mark with a painful erection that made going back to sleep impossible. not fun to wake up to - the worst part being i'm so tired when waking up that i don't want to do any come down procedures. anyway this time i took a crushed 120mg sudafed xl, busted one again, and somehow managed to take a piss all before feeling the erection subsiding around the 3 hr mark when i went back to sleep.

question for other experimenters out there. do you find your unit to be sore the day after a session?

 

[therulersback]

btw my initial reaction to the 30 gauge needles is very positive. don't notice any difference going in, still stings like a bitch, but coming out the bleeding is much less.

 

[therulersback]

12/20

light pumping session

well today was an off day from pge1. i recently reacquired access to my pumping gear so I did about 45-60min of pumping broken up into 10. i didn't see any progress lengthwise but got better girth expansion than ever before. after pumping i was at 6.25" mseg. i hadn't pumped in a long time so this was a great reminder: girth is king. hopefully i can reach those numbers for real with pge1.

 

[therulersback]

12/21

32 mcg PGE1
20 mcg IGF-DES

4 hr erection (not sleeping)

light stretching pre
<5 min PABA/DMSO during session

mother ****. after a day off I was back into it, pinning before sleep. i didn't get a strong response right away, and thinking I should have dosed up the pge1, i got the bright idea of adding half a cialis to boost the effects. unfortunately I didn't fall asleep fast enough and as pain set in I found it impossible to sleep. soreness from the previous sessions was a factor - still not sure if soreness is a positive or negative sign. so i got a boatload of pain and no sleep, great...

 

[therulersback]

12/25

35 mcg PGE1
30 mcg IGF-DES

? hr erection (sleeping)

light stretching pre
<5 min PABA/DMSO pre session

hmm well i'm gonna chalk this session up as a failure. i was lazy / sloppy due to being tired before bed. first i lost a large amount of liquids out of the syringe during the backload process. since I ran out of TB4 a few weeks ago I've taken to backloading 10ml sterile water first, then pge1, then igf-des, then more water to minimize risk of losing chems during loading. so it's hard to tell how much if any pge1 I lost. next, I almost injected 0.1 ccs of air before I caught myself being stupid ... yikes. finally once I got my **** together and completed the injection, got a totally mediocre response, perhaps due to lost chems. went to sleep and woke up 4 hrs later with all effects subsided so only confirmed 30 min erect. on the bright side my unit was feeling good the day after, hanging well and no pain.

 

[therulersback]

12/27

35 mcg PGE1
30 mcg IGF-DES

4 hr erection

light stretching pre
<5 min PABA/DMSO pre session
resumed oral PABA 2-4g/day

went with same dose as last time. this time got a 4 hr painful erection that made sleep impossible. i've come to the conclusion that sudafed is useless for bringing it down as i took 240 mg crushed XRs with no effect. got some crazy expansion as i was attempting the manual eject sequence so hopefully that is a good sign. also got some more PABA in today so started oral PABA daily