Blood work gotgame, john, stewie,inhuman,lk3?? Anyone

[j2048b]

If i can put this here great if not i can switch it to hrt but i know there are a ton of great guys who might be able to explain some stuff for me that might not look at the hrt forum....


This was taken when i had been off trt for a few months...

Bw:

Total test: 268
Free test 40.6
Estogen sensitive 22.....(i had felt a bit bitchy so had a few 1mlg anastrozoles thru out the month when i was if test hcg etc....)

Rbc-6
Hema:17.6.....
Hematocrit::55!!!!! Wtf?.....

So rbc's and hema are high but barely, but hct is outrageous considering my test and estro correct???

So give blood? Or look for something more deep such as bone marrow or something else??

It may sound dumb but i just dint think with my hormone levels being where they r, that my h&h would be as high as they r....

Im considering staying off hrt for the rest of my life and trying different alternatives because im tired of chasing the proverbial tail of this rbc,h&h always being high

Or i start a shit ton of cardio and become a workd class athlete because thats what i feel like i have to do just to maintain my damn h&h.....

Always open for criticism so let er rip!


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[Thebigone]

What were the ranges for the total test, free test and estro? Each lab can be different.

Also you have only been off trt a few months. It's very common to have higher rbc's and hemo/hemato on just hrt let alone a cycle. Your levels are not that bad at all. If you donate blood every 2 months like they allow that should put you in a good range. Also were you well hydrated during the test because most labs are taken in the morning while fasted and mist are dehydrated. If you didn't have at least 1/4gallon worth of water then you probably were. One time my hemo was 20 and I freaked out but realized I only had about 8oz water before the test. Got another one s few days later and was well hydrated and it was 17. Also the general rule to follow hematocrit is you multiply hemoglobin by 3 so you should have been closer to 53 not sure why it was 55. If you haven't given blood in a long time it's probably just built up rbc's from the trt. Only other thing to watch for is sleep apnea. This can cause elevated levels of what you have and the only way to know is from a sleep study. Sometimes if your RDW is high that can relate to apnea as well.

 

[j2048b]

What were the ranges for the total test, free test and estro? Each lab can be different.



Also you have only been off trt a few months. It's very common to have higher rbc's and hemo/hemato on just hrt let alone a cycle. Your levels are not that bad at all. If you donate blood every 2 months like they allow that should put you in a good range. Also were you well hydrated during the test because most labs are taken in the morning while fasted and mist are dehydrated. If you didn't have at least 1/4gallon worth of water then you probably were. One time my hemo was 20 and I freaked out but realized I only had about 8oz water before the test. Got another one s few days later and was well hydrated and it was 17. Also the general rule to follow hematocrit is you multiply hemoglobin by 3 so you should have been closer to 53 not sure why it was 55. If you haven't given blood in a long time it's probably just built up rbc's from the trt. Only other thing to em watch for is sleep apnea. This can cause elevated levels of what you have and the only way to know is from a sleep study. Sometimes if your RDW is high that can relate to apnea as well.

Estro didnt say just ultra sensitive ls/ms/ms

Test 250-1100 LC/MS/MS

Free t was 35-155

Ive been battling highcrit since last summer, the made me quit trt cold turkey last october and it fluctuated even from then until now from 51-55..... And i was on nothing from last october until april of this year!

I started trt again in april up until a month ago to get my baseline....

Yeah dont remeber if i was hydrated or not?

Never had to give blood until this past year while on trt for the last 9 or so years!! Crit was always good.... Weird that i change to 100 mlg per week from 200 mlg per week and now my crit is crazy and almost unmanageable.....

FINALLY GOT MY SLEEP STUDY IN A FEW WEEKS!!! Hope it goes well it is a 50/50 study so half alseep and then wake up and mask up!! Hope to GOD i can finally get somewhere with that!!

Thanks for the reply TBO!!


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[gotgame]

Dont have much time to post right now but its not THAT high. Likely still elevated from before. Donate some blood. If the remainder of your CBC with diff was normal I wouldnt worry about something like poly vera or anything.

Good post Thebigone.

 

[j2048b]

Dont have much time to post right now but its not THAT high. Likely still elevated from before. Donate some blood. If the remainder of your CBC with diff was normal I wouldnt worry about something like poly vera or anything.



Good post Thebigone.

Thanks GG! Appreciate ur reply as well! Good to know i shouldn't worry about poly...


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[LK3]

yeah dude, like gg says 55 not really high certainly nothing to freak out about.

there are plenty of people who are in that range ish naturally.

not sure of your age of how long you have been watching it but I see no reason for alarm, be sure you do some morning cardio year round, give blood every now and then, maybe a baby asprin, Cialis, ginger, vitamin e, curcumin... all help with blood viscosity.

do you smoke? that will raise your crit for sure.
I think even sleep apnea can result in higher crit.

some people are more sensitive to e then others... again not a big deal.

personally my body is high prolactin and high estro, low test with no drugs... fun fun! so ill stay on drugs thank you very much.

in a lot of your posts you seem to worry about the tiny details, this seems like another example, lol!

I hope you know I mean that in the nicest way.... not being a dick.

figure out a good basic regime of sups, try to figure an ok diet that you can live on and do some cardio in the morning weights later, control your e and p keep t in the high end and you will be ok!

 

[cardealer]

I have been on HRT for years and find blood donation every 56 days really help numbers on lab report.

 

[j2048b]

yeah dude, like gg says 55 not really high certainly nothing to freak out about.

there are plenty of people who are in that range ish naturally.

not sure of your age of how long you have been watching it but I see no reason for alarm, be sure you do some morning cardio year round, give blood every now and then, maybe a baby asprin, Cialis, ginger, vitamin e, curcumin... all help with blood viscosity.

do you smoke? that will raise your crit for sure.
I think even sleep apnea can result in higher crit.

some people are more sensitive to e then others... again not a big deal.

personally my body is high prolactin and high estro, low test with no drugs... fun fun! so ill stay on drugs thank you very much.

in a lot of your posts you seem to worry about the tiny details, this seems like another example, lol!

I hope you know I mean that in the nicest way.... not being a dick.

figure out a good basic regime of sups, try to figure an ok diet that you can live on and do some cardio in the morning weights later, control your e and p keep t in the high end and you will be ok!

hahah man its all good, ur not a wee wee...haha i worry about the tiny details because EVERYTHING ive ever heard is that a crit level of 55 is very very bad... especially when u r on trt, thyroid issues as well as cholesterol and heart disease run in my family so i like to er on the side of caution...


ill change up a few things and get er done!!!

thanks lk3 appreciate it!!

got a sleep study finally here in a few weeks!!

the thing abouit crit, with me, i have NEVER ever had an issue with it, until recently, been on trt for 8-10 yrs, and NEVER had to donate blood, so i guess the reason y im soo concerned is that ive never had an issue, even at 200 mlg per week trt, when i went to 100 mlg 1 or even broken into 2-3 times per week, bammm! crit goes super high.... now that i cant explain so another reason as to y im a bit concerned....

 

[Thebigone]

Crit, hemo, rbc's and RDW can all increase with apnea. Also it's not uncommon to go years with normal crit and then have it go up on hrt. The body is funny. You be not estro prone for years and cycle whatever u want and then start getting gyno symptoms on a normal cycle one day. Shutting hormones off and on, blocking hormones from this and that while taking this and that are not always set in stone. The body can change over time. I say donate blood and your good to go ESP since you did the apnea test. If you have apnea and get it fixed that will for lower your levels and most of all is hydration. I bet if you do the test again and are very well hydrated your crit drops a good 3points and hemo 2-3points

 

[j2048b]

Crit, hemo, rbc's and RDW can all increase with apnea. Also it's not uncommon to go years with normal crit and then have it go up on hrt. The body is funny. You be not estro prone for years and cycle whatever u want and then start getting gyno symptoms on a normal cycle one day. Shutting hormones off and on, blocking hormones from this and that while taking this and that are not always set in stone. The body can change over time. I say donate blood and your good to go ESP since you did the apnea test. If you have apnea and get it fixed that will for lower your levels and most of all is hydration. I bet if you do the test again and are very well hydrated your crit drops a good 3points and hemo 2-3points

Yes u are right, our bodies are weird! ill get ahold of my eurologist and get a phlem with saline set up and be good to go, got an apnea test within the next few weeks, end of october i believe...and need to hydrate, and finally kick this chew habit ive had for 20 yrs.... trying and yes it may very well contribute a great deal to the crit.... i know this... and yes im a dumb dumb for chewing

 

[j2048b]

on another very IMPORTANT NOTE:

doc John, who is simply amazing btw just found out thru my 24 saliva test that I HAVE ADRENAL BURNOUT....

QUOTED FROM dr jame's wilsons adrenal blog it states this and we may have found something that is going to help me thru multi facets...

" The brain takes its signals from the amount of circulating cortisol, not circulating aldosterone, so high cortisol tends to lower the brain’s ACTH production, which in turn decreases aldosterone secretion, leading to lower blood pressure. Another consequence of low aldosterone is electrolyte imbalance and cell dehydration, which both have negative effects on almost all physiological reactions in the body. Aside from salt cravings, low blood pressure and light-headedness, patients with adrenal fatigue often experience an irregular heartbeat, lethargy, muscle weakness, and increased thirst. These are all a result of imbalance in sodium and other minerals, including potassium and magnesium. Increasing your salt intake is one way to help restore these imbalances."

**broken link removed**


so hopefully dehydration and other things may actually be fixed as well to an extent....

 

[nothuman]

I fixed my hematocrit with frequent donations (finding different locations to donate so there is no 56 day grace period), lots of challenging cardio, and fixing my diet. I was also using IP6, which I don't know if that helped or not.

 

[j2048b]

I fixed my hematocrit with frequent donations (finding different locations to donate so there is no 56 day grace period), lots of challenging cardio, and fixing my diet. I was also using IP6, which I don't know if that helped or not.

Yes u did!! Thats why i included ur name in the title because i loved how after u struggled for a long time with crit, u made the changes u did and conquered it!!! Impressive man!!


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[j2048b]

Ok an updated set of blood work:

Crit:
51.3 scale 41.-53......
Hemaglobin?? 17.7 scale 13.5-17.5

Rbc's 5.87 / 4.50-5.90!!!

Mean platelet volume high 11.4 / 7.4-10.4

T3 reverse
High 28.6 / 9.0-27.0

IGF-1..... Never used gh etc...

HIGH! 246....scale 72-225

Testosterone total:
174 / 175-781

Test free:
.93 really low scale/ 3.8-34.2

Anion gap?? High 21 / 10-18

Carbon dioxide 21 L / 22-30

Cholesterol
Total 273
Hdl 65!!!!!
Non hdl-208
T chol/hdl ratio 4.2 / 4.2-5.8

Vldl 18 /14-35
Ldl 190


Sooo some things are great while some suck..... Ill get my vap results here soon hopefully!


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[LK3]

well at least you got your htc down... lol

 

[j2048b]

well at least you got your htc down... lol

Hahaha yeah and pissin like a horse while doin it! Bahaaha!! Drank so much damn water that i peed the bed one night hahaha fuck me!!!

And have had no test shots in a loooong time!!! Weird my igf is kind of high,

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[gotgame]

Hahaha yeah and pissin like a horse while doin it! Bahaaha!! Drank so much damn water that i peed the bed one night hahaha fuck me!!!

And have had no test shots in a loooong time!!! Weird my igf is kind of high,

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Not sure about your age but the IGF has an age range. Some labs are different. Look up the age ranges for different labs online.

Why did you recheck your labs? just for fun? You knew the HCT and HB were elevated a bit and that by hydrating you would bring down the lab value, possibly artificially. id still recommend donating once in a while.

Your test levels can vary significantly depending on time of the day.

Labs overall are as to be expected. get the rest of your lipids in check but good job with the HDL.

 

[j2048b]

Not sure about your age but the IGF has an age range. Some labs are different. Look up the age ranges for different labs online.



Why did you recheck your labs? just for fun? You knew the HCT and HB were elevated a bit and that by hydrating you would bring down the lab value, possibly artificially. id still recommend donating once in a while.



Your test levels can vary significantly depending on time of the day.



Labs overall are as to be expected. get the rest of your lipids in check but good job with the HDL.

Ill be 38 in a few weeks so the rise in igf is a bit odd to me at least especially at my age

Im going thru 3 different docs for stuff and each requested bw so i purposely set each draw up a few weeks apart so i could gauge my hydration and crit tbh

Whats odd w my hdl is that when i go off trt my hdl shoots up! When im on trt my vit d levels as well as hdl plummet down to the lower 40's....



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[gotgame]

Ill be 38 in a few weeks so the rise in igf is a bit odd to me at least especially at my age

Im going thru 3 different docs for stuff and each requested bw so i purposely set each draw up a few weeks apart so i could gauge my hydration and crit tbh

Whats odd w my hdl is that when i go off trt my hdl shoots up! When im on trt my vit d levels as well as hdl plummet down to the lower 40's....



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i see.

what was your IGF before? ehh not that it really matters lol.

Yes many peoples HDL goes go down on TRT even if it is only test. No idea about why your vit D goes down but im sure i could come up with some convoluted explanation..hmmm how about you spend more time in the gym and less getting sunlight while on lol

 

[j2048b]

Not sure about previous igf levels?

Haha i hate the sun!! I will burn within an hour!! Haha im fair skinned! But yeah man im trying to cover all bases

Im really interested in keeping an eye on hepcidin, especially when on trt, if i can find a way for my body to accept my trt levels as "normal" then hepcicin will kick back in and thus keep my rbc's from raising at least from my understanding??


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