Everything and the kitchen sink

[chubzz]

Hey guys, long time lurker and reader. Ive been using pharma gh (sero,geno) in doses from 3-7iu 5x weekly on and off for a few years and love it. When finances are low ive always gone the mk route, which i must say is incredible for the price. Although water retention and lethargy sucks but the hunger is the best thing ever.

Last offseason i used 4mg CJC W Dac weekly. and 25mg mk ed.

Finally finances are good and im really ready to push things. Im going to be taking 4-6iu genos on training days, and i was going to add mk on top of gh for the increase in igf and mainly the hunger....

From my understanding, exogenous gh cancels out peptides/mk when active.

Would adding 4mg CJC Dac with mk on top of the gh be beneficial or am i just canceling things out..

Plan was mk at night daily,
1mg dac before bed m/w/f/s
and the entire dose of gh 90 minutes preworkout with insulin.

So all in all, will i benefit from the peptides or am i just wasting money, i understand that gh> peptides regardless but in the grand scheme of things peptides are not very expensive and if they can only help, why not?

 

[BigTex]

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From my understanding, exogenous gh cancels out peptides/mk when active.

Would adding 4mg CJC Dac with mk on top of the gh be beneficial or am i just canceling things out..

Plan was mk at night daily,
1mg dac before bed m/w/f/s
and the entire dose of gh 90 minutes preworkout with insulin.

So all in all, will i benefit from the peptides or am i just wasting money, i understand that gh> peptides regardless but in the grand scheme of things peptides are not very expensive and if they can only help, why not?

If you are going to use HGH I would drop the CJC w/DAC keep the MK677 at bed time.

 

[chubzz]

If you are going to use HGH I would drop the CJC w/DAC keep the MK677 at bed time.

Ok but whats the reasoning for it?

 

[RamboStallone]

Exogenous HGH will inhibit the effects of ghrh, so drop the dac. Keep the mk677, add a ghrp in 2-3x a day as well. It's cheap and adds benefit. MK677 and ghrps are not effected by exogenous HGH.

 

[BigTex]

Exogenous HGH will inhibit the effects of ghrh, so drop the dac. Keep the mk677, add a ghrp in 2-3x a day as well. It's cheap and adds benefit. MK677 and ghrps are not effected by exogenous HGH.

Thanks Rambo, I couldn't have said it better myself. I think a good visual aid would be DAT's old .jpg

As you see the green shows 3mg/wk of CJC w/DAC, the red HGH at 7.5iu. Both keep steady levels of HGH in the blood. The response of GH levels are higher with HGH. The pulses in blue are a combination of 100mcg GHRH and 100mcg GHRP. Since you wanted to start using HGH as Rambo just said, it would be a waste of money to use the DAC to. If anything use a GHRP as Rambo said 2-3 times a day. However, as I mentioned MH677 is even better because it causes quite a few more pulses every day. Research studies have also shown it to increase IGF-1 levels pretty good.

Since the GHRP's are relatively inexpensive try both and see which one you like, that or the MK677. I can tell you from my experience I have been able to drop to 2iu of HGH/d and 25mg of MK677. The grogginess is bad, the water retention is a fight even with diuretics and the carpal tunnel pain/swelling in the fingers and is pretty bad.

So my choice in order:

1. HGH
2. MK677
3. GHRP

If I had to choose 2 of them it would be 1 & 2. If you don't go with the HGH then CJC w/DAC and MK677 would be the way to go.