ANSWER TO ALL THESE RECENT HGH QUESTIONS

[gridlock]

LOOK, OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS THERES BEEN AN INCREASING AMOUNT OF DUMBASS QUESTIONS IN HERE SAYING THINGS LIKE ARE THE GREENS BETTER THAN BLUES OR ARE YELLOWS BETTER THAN GREENS ETC.

YOU ARE BUYING GENERIC HGH. APART FROM A SMALL % OF PURITY THEY ARE ALL MUCH THE SAME. UNLESS YOU ARE SPOT ON WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN YOUR DIET, TRAINING ETC, THAT TINY .5% OR WHATEVER IT IS WILL MAKE FUCK ALL DIFFERENCE TO YOU SO STOP FUCKING ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS.

THIS USED TO BE ONE OF THE MORE INTELLIGENT SECTIONS OF THE BOARD AND NOW IDIOTS HAVE INFILTRATED IT RATHER THAN DOING RESEARCH LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE DO.

THERE IS NO MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO HGH, IF YOU GET HUMAN GRADE IT IS THE BEST. YOU GET UG OR GENERIC ITS ALL AROUND THE SAME FUCKING LEVEL. AND THE COLOUR OF THE TOP MEANS SHIT. ITS A BIT OF PLASTIC THAT A SUPPLIER PUTS ON IT AND CAN CHOP AND CHANGE AS HE PLEASES.

[VTliftVT]

I agree that generics are generics. The only thing I am not positive of is your comment regarding the very small difference of that one would see due to the purity of the compound. I would think that the impurities that are present the more degredation that would occur within the GH thus further decreasing it's effectiveness. Thus a smaller percentage of puritity initially would further be degraded by handling/storage and then even more so due to it's initial impurities. I may be way off and it may not make much a difference but my point is the compounding degredation that may occur which would be further increased and compounded by the greater amount of impurities initially present within the GH.

Thoughts?

[123cctv]

Originally Posted by gridlock

YOU ARE BUYING GENERIC HGH. APART FROM A SMALL % OF PURITY THEY ARE ALL MUCH THE SAME.

Regrettably I've had little time to post lately, however this comment stems from such ignorance and wishful thinking I just had to ask:

- you really think when it comes to gens, suppliers base their prices according to the top (not the GH)? Do not misunderstand this question. Yes, every manufacturer should be able to obtain multiple colored tops, yet all of them (if they sell more than one type) place a particular colored top on what they're stating to be either a higher/lower grade GH and mark their prices according to their manufactured grade.

FYI - Chinese quibble over pennies and cut costs wherever they can! They do this to so they can under bid their competition. This mentality bleeds over when dealing w/the USA on all product type. I know. My point? If the Chinese can't even stomach the thought of having to fork up a few extra cents (yes, just PENNIES) on a quality metal seal to lock in the air and rubber stopper, then where do they get the nerve to charge $10-$20.00 more or less per color marked vial?? Could it be that the quality and not just a different colored top? In fact, have you noted -- even though they are charging a rather large and notable price difference between colors, did they bother to upgrade their vials, i.e. though prices will vary greatly, they'll still be packaged in the same low quality manner -- same stoppers, same metal seal, same vaccum percentage drawn (yeah - these vary too depending on source - check yours sometime and see if their vaccum is a consistent % between each), etc. By the way, if this isn't making any sense, then you've obviously not had the privilege of higher or a lower grade GH. Varied grades are packaged differently.

Now this is just the tip of the ice berg, however I'm not here to lecture, nor do I have the time anymore as I used to - BUT I can tell you there are many other factors which determine price. Bottom line - if you've had quality as well as low grade, you will see and feel the differences and it's not just a ridiculous top that determines it. Look for.....

- an inability to create bubbles or lingering bubbles if vial is agitated. If so, then it's either degraded, low potency or no GH protein exists.

However bubbles or not,...
A. Red welts (at first) for lower grades.
B. Results (at first) but dwindle a few months later. Probable low grade or 192aa
C. Upon reconstitution, fillers not dissolving in under a minute. Very low grade or possible outdated/expired batch.

These are all factors which WILL determine price. Not because the cap is a different color, but because the contents are different.

Lastly, GH can be FELT in higher dosages. Though certainly not the only method, IV is an immediate 'tell tale' in determining what you've got in your hands. Further, in as little as 24 hours, depending on the manufacturer, certain sides may be noted in higher dosages. If in doubt and no sides exist, carefully bump up your dosage to create a climate for sides. Now if you've had the type of GH that is unable to offer sides, for instance, injecting 10IU in one dose,...you're probably dealing with a type of so called GH that the Chinese sell. I've had this type too - it does yeild results over the long run, but at high dosages. Of course, this type also is unable to create a single bubble. This means there's either little, extremely weak or no protein existing in this type. There's even a supposed Hyge's sold by a sponsor on this board selling this type = unable to create bubbles. But hey, who cares what's in it -- just as long as you obtain some sort of results, right? I did.

[The BB Monad]

I am no expert on the matter but I agree with the 2 previous posts for sure...

I'm currently on Human Grade HGH bought at the local hospital in Nanjing and the results are quicker and stronger - but I will tell you that I paid nearly 3x the value of generics.

Still, even knowing this, I will stick with the sponsor as I will be running it for a long period of time.

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by VTliftVT

I agree that generics are generics. The only thing I am not positive of is your comment regarding the very small difference of that one would see due to the purity of the compound. I would think that the impurities that are present the more degredation that would occur within the GH thus further decreasing it's effectiveness. Thus a smaller percentage of puritity initially would further be degraded by handling/storage and then even more so due to it's initial impurities. I may be way off and it may not make much a difference but my point is the compounding degredation that may occur which would be further increased and compounded by the greater amount of impurities initially present within the GH.

Thoughts?

impurities will not always cause degradation. something that is a foreign body to that chemical is classed as an impurity, but it might not cause a degradation of the hormone that is present.

by all means your statement is right but it wouldn't make a noticeable difference until you hit high amounts like 123 cctv was saying.

Originally Posted by 123cctv

Regrettably I've had little time to post lately, however this comment stems from such ignorance and wishful thinking I just had to ask:

firstly, read what i wrote in full. this is aimed at all the idiots that have come on here asking the same dumb question trying to get the hidden secret of who's HGH is actually the best and now we have people asking which one is of human grade by comparison

2ndly you have to then run by the assumption that i know nothing about chinese generics and how the chinese run their operations.

Originally Posted by The BB Monad

I am no expert on the matter but I agree with the 2 previous posts for sure...

I'm currently on Human Grade HGH bought at the local hospital in Nanjing and the results are quicker and stronger - but I will tell you that I paid nearly 3x the value of generics.

Still, even knowing this, I will stick with the sponsor as I will be running it for a long period of time.

precisely. you have the option to choose but when it comes down to it, the results of human grade will always win

[sal]

The gens seem very cost worthy but not if you develope antibodies and it is 192?

[weight78]

The generics do very alot in quality. I have had blues that werent vacume sealed and they sucked. I had some that were ok and some that knocked my socks off better than jins ever did. So Different companies produce them and they can very alot. So asking who sells the best isnt a dumbass question.

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by weight78

The generics do very alot in quality. I have had blues that werent vacume sealed and they sucked. I had some that were ok and some that knocked my socks off better than jins ever did. So Different companies produce them and they can very alot. So asking who sells the best isnt a dumbass question.

when you're getting questions on here asking about if they compare to HG and then yes it is a dumbass question.

Read my post you pratt. i was making reference to ones on here who come on asking "the million dollar question" to see who has the best green tops or best blue tops when 3 of the sponsors get them from the same frigging supplier!!!!!!

i stand by what i say. and vacuum seals mean shit nowadays. a lot of HG companies are stopping using vacuums so that doesn't mean anything

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by sal

The gens seem very cost worthy but not if you develope antibodies and it is 192?

true. however provided you know your source and trust that its 191 then you'll be fine

[Michael]

Agree totally about these dumbass ?'s. WTF, there's 1 almost everyday.

[BigEnough]

Originally Posted by gridlock

LOOK, OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS THERES BEEN AN INCREASING AMOUNT OF DUMBASS QUESTIONS IN HERE SAYING THINGS LIKE ARE THE GREENS BETTER THAN BLUES OR ARE YELLOWS BETTER THAN GREENS ETC.

YOU ARE BUYING GENERIC HGH. APART FROM A SMALL % OF PURITY THEY ARE ALL MUCH THE SAME. UNLESS YOU ARE SPOT ON WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN YOUR DIET, TRAINING ETC, THAT TINY .5% OR WHATEVER IT IS WILL MAKE FUCK ALL DIFFERENCE TO YOU SO STOP FUCKING ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS.

THIS USED TO BE ONE OF THE MORE INTELLIGENT SECTIONS OF THE BOARD AND NOW IDIOTS HAVE INFILTRATED IT RATHER THAN DOING RESEARCH LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE DO.

THERE IS NO MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO HGH, IF YOU GET HUMAN GRADE IT IS THE BEST. YOU GET UG OR GENERIC ITS ALL AROUND THE SAME FUCKING LEVEL. AND THE COLOUR OF THE TOP MEANS SHIT. ITS A BIT OF PLASTIC THAT A SUPPLIER PUTS ON IT AND CAN CHOP AND CHANGE AS HE PLEASES.

I really dont understand guys like you, Why come across as such a prick? If you feel the need to get a point across first of all take off your caps lock second come with some facts that you can prove before acting like you know it all about GH and all the sponsors here. Granted ppl. do post shit without doing research but im pretty sure thats what mods are for.

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by BigEnough

I really dont understand guys like you, Why come across as such a prick? If you feel the need to get a point across first of all take off your caps lock second come with some facts that you can prove before acting like you know it all about GH and all the sponsors here. Granted ppl. do post shit without doing research but im pretty sure thats what mods are for.

you really shouldnt get that upset about a post.

I hope it didnt ruin your day?

GH Pro
Z
dynasty
Nian

all did get their GH from the same origin.
a lot of people on here knew it as well.

[disgraziato]

I agree and disagree with gridlock; I agree the questions on this and many other boards about top color are more often than not, asked by the ignorant who don't do their due research before diving into things. That being said, and what I always try to explain to them, is that YOU CANNOT COMPARE COLOR TOPS OF DIFFERENT LABS. You cant ask ," are xy's greens better than yz's greens?" Each lab uses their own color scheme based on steps up in quality they offer. BUT when xy sells blues for say $1.50 per iu, and they sell greens for $2.00 per iu, as long as there a reputable lab, like a sponser of PM for instance, you can bet THEIR greens are better in quality than THEIR blues. This I feel is obvious. One can't however compare inter-organization colors, as I mentioned. But, we that know a thing or two, can continually explain these things to the ignoramous's out there, try and school them, try to help them so they don't get ripped off.

We all agree that human grade tops the charts, but most of us can't foot the bill for those. Those of us who are in the know, with many years of experience, know what products work for us and which ones not so much. We find labs that we trust and the products that we like and we stick to it.

I just wish that people would do their own phukn research the right way and not pop up in a thread askin a question that was already phukn answered two or three threads up. No excuse for that, just laziness. Those are the ones who end up hurtin themselves.

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by disgraziato

I agree and disagree with gridlock; I agree the questions on this and many other boards about top color are more often than not, asked by the ignorant who don't do their due research before diving into things. That being said, and what I always try to explain to them, is that YOU CANNOT COMPARE COLOR TOPS OF DIFFERENT LABS. You cant ask ," are xy's greens better than yz's greens?" Each lab uses their own color scheme based on steps up in quality they offer. BUT when xy sells blues for say $1.50 per iu, and they sell greens for $2.00 per iu, as long as there a reputable lab, like a sponser of PM for instance, you can bet THEIR greens are better in quality than THEIR blues. This I feel is obvious. One can't however compare inter-organization colors, as I mentioned. But, we that know a thing or two, can continually explain these things to the ignoramous's out there, try and school them, try to help them so they don't get ripped off.

We all agree that human grade tops the charts, but most of us can't foot the bill for those. Those of us who are in the know, with many years of experience, know what products work for us and which ones not so much. We find labs that we trust and the products that we like and we stick to it.

I just wish that people would do their own phukn research the right way and not pop up in a thread askin a question that was already phukn answered two or three threads up. No excuse for that, just laziness. Those are the ones who end up hurtin themselves.

your response is spot on. i for one cant get HG as the cost is waaay to high. but for people who are looking to get the sort of mindblowing different results by choosing colours of tops, they will be sadly disappointed. if i put this across wrong in my first post i apologise. but when you look down this sector of the forum and I see 5 posts relating to gh that could be searched on and are really all the same its kinda puzzling

[BigEnough]

Originally Posted by gridlock

you really shouldnt get that upset about a post.

I hope it didnt ruin your day?

GH Pro
Z
dynasty
Nian

all did get their GH from the same origin.
a lot of people on here knew it as well.

Im not upset at all bro. dont get me wrong I agree that everyone should do their own research before they post a question about the color of a top or anything for that matter. I really just think its counter productive to lashout like you did, If you feel the need to tell people they need to do more research on gh before posting thats fine and most will agree but I think there should be a level of class to your post if you really want people to listen.

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by BigEnough

Im not upset at all bro. dont get me wrong I agree that everyone should do their own research before they post a question about the color of a top or anything for that matter. I really just think its counter productive to lashout like you did, If you feel the need to tell people they need to do more research on gh before posting thats fine and most will agree but I think there should be a level of class to your post if you really want people to listen.

If you look through the forum in the past theres been quite a few posts by various people saying (in fact its in other parts of the forum as well) that people need to do their research before they come on here.

Are dynasty-labs blue tops as good as name brand gh?
hygetropin vs blue tops, others
GREENS VS BLUES: WHICH WINS??
Confused on HGH
Confused about Tops?

now the above is all just on the first page.

open them up and read and pretty much all of them (and you cant deny it) an all be answered by the search button or in one single post on the thread. perhaps the nag I had was more around the laziness of people, but if it means people open it and stop posting crap thats unecessary then its worth it. the peptides section is probably the most informative part of the forum when it comes to scientific fact about the newer chems coming out. we dont want the whole first page filled with junk so people then start to pass over it now do we

[DatBtrue]

I have absolutely nothing of value to contribute.

It is fun to read this thread though. You guys are getting a cardio workout on those key boards. Back at it.

[Bobaslaw]

I would just like to mention that the possible underlying conditions a person may have could influence the perceived potency of a particular top.

In cases of Deuteranopia, the efficacy of both red and green top GH has not distinction.

Persons with Tritanopia have a similar issue with respect to Blue and Yellow Top GH.

Severe Achromatopsia? Well, then you're fucked, and might as well forget it and get whatever top is cheapest, they're all the same as far as you will know

[McD]

Originally Posted by BigEnough

but I think there should be a level of class to your post if you really want people to listen.

Quoting this

[taba]

This question plagues all new users of HG. We all want to get the best gh we can afford. I wanted to find out for myself and not rely on opinions from others. I have invested a bit of money trying to find the difference in different blue generics. To see if there is more bang for the buck. I can honestly say thru experience there is a difference. It will depend on the supplier.

I would take one product for a few months, jump on another for a few months, then back to the original product, then one more time to the second product in question. Yes I could tell the difference in the products by the way my body would react. I would obviously get faster results from the better quality product. Stall my progress on the weaker product.

I don't buy the BS that you are not going to get anything out of gh and see if its good until 6-8 months time. By then your out of luck if its no good. Why spend that much to find out you got taken on a inferior product. You can tell if your product is good in small increments of your gains if you already have a few years training under your belt with a good foundation. You can see it working by checking yourself out in the mirror. The scale will help too because you may stay the same weight and your body composition will improve with quality muscle. Throw in the slin in your cycle and you will if the synergy is there with your product. I can honestly say that I can tell the difference.

Thru this testing I finally put my faith in one supplier for the blues for now. I see a very noticeable difference in how I reacted. Not just from sides affects but the accelerated affects of changing body composition. Now I have to move forward next year and test the waters with a few different suppliers for the next grade up and so forth.

My findings are not set in stone.
This may change because there are too many variables involved with gh. But still trust in a good source is a big plus in this game. The consistency of the quality tells alot about your source.

Its the only way we can truly find out. The tops obviously can be put on any vial and be called something that it is not. It will have to fall on the integrity of the supplier for the quality of his product. Its just like IGF. They are all blue tops but you have to try them all out to base your opinion on facts taken from your results. Not others feedback on the boards.