Question about HGH IV ...

sma · Sep 20, 2012

I have been using sterile water but today I had tingles all through my body,,,

should I be using saline solution? or is sterile water fine

I dose 4IU 2x a day IV

Thanks

bigpumper · Sep 20, 2012

water should be fine bro. Can you tell a difference in running subx and iv?

mcswag · Sep 20, 2012

I hope your using USA pharma HGH.. I would never shoot all those fillers straight into my vein. I actually don't think I could shoot anything into a vein on purpose. Your fucking crazy! let me know how it works out. LOL you've got my attention.

Gators · Sep 20, 2012

WTF dude, what do you think you'll gain by doing something so dangerous?!?!?!

gent · Sep 20, 2012

shit man be careful. Why are you not doing it subq

johnjuanb1 · Sep 20, 2012

sma said:
I have been using sterile water but today I had tingles all through my body,,,

should I be using saline solution? or is sterile water fine

I dose 4IU 2x a day IV

Thanks

Bac water always worked fine for my rat with iv hgh

sma · Sep 20, 2012

gent said:
shit man be careful. Why are you not doing it subq

I can ask you the same thing why don't you do it I. M or I'V....

Yea I think the tingling was actually from beta alanine

I'll keep with the sterile water would bac or saline b better anyone kno

livinglovinglearning · Oct 1, 2012

8 IU's IV is a significant dose. Especially for someone who doesn't understand why he get's "tingles" shooting 4IU IV at once.

sammy555 · Oct 1, 2012

gent said:
shit man be careful. Why are you not doing it subq

Iv Is a lot closer to the body's natural pulsed gh patterns and absorption is close to 100%. Not something I'll be doing personally but there are some good reasons too. I like I'm personally

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jm425 · Oct 1, 2012

Dat has an article up on doing hgh IV somewhere. Says it makes igf levels spike hard and fast. It's the most effective way to administer it. I personally would never do it that way, but know a few guys that do and swear by it. Subq is one of the least effective methods IMO.

johnjuanb1 · Oct 1, 2012

jm425 said:
Dat has an article up on doing hgh IV somewhere. Says it makes igf levels spike hard and fast. It's the most effective way to administer it. I personally would never do it that way, but know a few guys that do and swear by it. Subq is one of the least effective methods IMO.

Actually, subQ has the highest igf1 conversion but the lowest absorption. IV has 100% absorption but no igf1 conversion. IM falls in between both on igf1 conversion and abortion rate.

All 3 routes of administration have benefits. This is why the top guys use all 3 methods...IM upon waking, IV immediately pwo, and subQ before bed.

Akamai · Oct 1, 2012

Generic? who knows what else may be in it.

Ak

jm425 · Oct 1, 2012

johnjuanb1 said:
Actually, subQ has the highest igf1 conversion but the lowest absorption. IV has 100% absorption but no igf1 conversion. IM falls in between both on igf1 conversion and abortion rate.

All 3 routes of administration have benefits. This is why the top guys use all 3 methods...IM upon waking, IV immediately pwo, and subQ before bed.

Thanks for clearing that up. My question to you is this. Why would you want to do hgh IV if there is no igf conversion? Hgh by itself seems to be almost useless. Igf after conversion in the liver is what is supposed to be beneficial for muscle repair, hyperplasia, etc.

johnjuanb1 · Oct 1, 2012

jm425 said:
Thanks for clearing that up. My question to you is this. Why would you want to do hgh IV if there is no igf conversion? Hgh by itself seems to be almost useless. Igf after conversion in the liver is what is supposed to be beneficial for muscle repair, hyperplasia, etc.

That's exactly why I stopped doing IV with hgh. I read some studies and they said there is no igf1 conversion, so I decided I was missing out on a very important factor in building muscle and losing fat. I IV'd hgh for 3 months and saw no faster results than I do with IM injection.

The pro that does the method using all 3 routes of administration takes his 6ius of serostim within 3 minutes of his last set in the gym. Obviously, there is a benefit to it as he is 270Lb at 2% on stage. For us mediocre bodybuilders, I see no point in using IV administration.

jm425 · Oct 1, 2012

johnjuanb1 said:
That's exactly why I stopped doing IV with hgh. I read some studies and they said there is no igf1 conversion, so I decided I was missing out on a very important factor in building muscle and losing fat. I IV'd hgh for 3 months and saw no faster results than I do with IM injection.

The pro that does the method using all 3 routes of administration takes his 6ius of serostim within 3 minutes of his last set in the gym. Obviously, there is a benefit to it as he is 270Lb at 2% on stage. For us mediocre bodybuilders, I see no point in using IV administration.

You don't look like a mediocre bber to me bro. You look better than most guys on this board including myself. I guess the IV method works for him. I've stuck with IM throughout the years and find that it works for me. Thanks for your insight.

VOXpol · Oct 1, 2012

johnjuanb1 said:
That's exactly why I stopped doing IV with hgh. I read some studies and they said there is no igf1 conversion, so I decided I was missing out on a very important factor in building muscle and losing fat. I IV'd hgh for 3 months and saw no faster results than I do with IM injection.

The pro that does the method using all 3 routes of administration takes his 6ius of serostim within 3 minutes of his last set in the gym. Obviously, there is a benefit to it as he is 270Lb at 2% on stage. For us mediocre bodybuilders, I see no point in using IV administration.

In the studies, did they look at just systemic igf-1, or IM igf-1 also? It's the inter-muscular igf-1 that's uber important...imo. there are those that actually would not want systemic igf levels raised for various reasons

johnjuanb1 · Oct 1, 2012

VOXpol said:
In the studies, did they look at just systemic igf-1, or IM igf-1 also? It's the inter-muscular igf-1 that's uber important...imo. there are those that actually would not want systemic igf levels raised for various reasons

I doubt they biopsied the muscle. I'm thinking they checked igf1 systemically. If you are correct, I would do iv again. Need to search for studies.

Pharm_Fed · Oct 1, 2012

johnjuanb1 said:
Actually, subQ has the highest igf1 conversion but the lowest absorption. IV has 100% absorption but no igf1 conversion. IM falls in between both on igf1 conversion and abortion rate.

All 3 routes of administration have benefits. This is why the top guys use all 3 methods...IM upon waking, IV immediately pwo, and subQ before bed.

I understand the theory behind using all three methods, but any reason they are done in this particular order?

johnjuanb1 · Oct 2, 2012

Pharm_Fed said:
I understand the theory behind using all three methods, but any reason they are done in this particular order?

IV the minute you are done training for instant 100% absorption. SubQ before bed for the slowest release while you sleep, and greatest igf1 increase. IM upon waking possibly due to an early training session as I saw Jay training at 10am-noon...pretty sure it's Jay's protocol. Can't swear to it.

Pharm_Fed · Oct 2, 2012

johnjuanb1 said:
IV the minute you are done training for instant 100% absorption. SubQ before bed for the slowest release while you sleep, and greatest igf1 increase. IM upon waking possibly due to an early training session as I saw Jay training at 10am-noon...pretty sure it's Jay's protocol. Can't swear to it.

Gotcha, that makes sense.