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IGF-1 DES Protocol

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How many bottles would I need to research this for 3-4 months? Dosage and timing? I know this has been discussed but I can't seem to find all the answers....maybe adult add onset!
 
pre workout only 1 bottle should last a few weeks maybe a month. u dont need much to get a good pump
 
How many bottles would I need to research this for 3-4 months? Dosage and timing? I know this has been discussed but I can't seem to find all the answers....maybe adult add onset!
DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!
 
DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!
BTW, 3 to 4 months is way too long to be on a continues cycle of IGF-lr3, or DES. 50 to 60 days at most!!!!!
 
i thought and read other members were noticing fat loss while researching des...

anyone else got an opinion?

my rat doesnt need to add fat....and hes got 3 bottles of des on the way
 
DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!

hello, you're right, I'm two weeks and took DES 50mcg pre workout, with 30 grams of carbs and won only muscle but also some fat in the waist.

will be the next IGF1 LR3.

gain 4.2 kg but I look good and strong.
 
My subject beer experienced any fat gain, fat loss, but has to do with diet, genetics, and of course workouts.

He was on a strict diet 2 out of the 5 times he's researched des. The other times he was already lean and still eating relative clean. Genetics played a big role for him though I believe.
 
wait to finish the month with DES, and then estimate it fat vs muscle results.

regards
 
Just ordered 6 des and 6 mgf, plan on cycling 4 weeks on & off...that should last a while. I read a lot of post on here where people said they actually got leaner and bigger which is why I bought it...I carry abs year round and sure don't want any bellyfat!
 
Just ordered 6 des and 6 mgf, plan on cycling 4 weeks on & off...that should last a while. I read a lot of post on here where people said they actually got leaner and bigger which is why I bought it...I carry abs year round and sure don't want any bellyfat!
If you micro dose, you might be able to stay lean. Hey, I wish you the very best, Im only stating my experience, as well as the exact same experiences from past clients and friends. I eat clean year round, DES and my body just did not agree. Im not bashing, so please do not take it that way. DES also made me sweat like a whore in church while training???? Keep us updated brother!!!
You know one thing I rarely notice.... People not taking arginine with their HGH, or peps?? Arginine in itself is a natural IGF booster!!! just some food for thought!!!
 
Hey stylus, does igf lr3 have the fat gain as well?
NO SIR!!!! LR3 is one my favorite peptides. I know of people who dose at 20mcgs first thing early am, for carb control since LR3 has such a long half life to it! I know this sounds kind of gay, but I truly believe DES is a dangerous compound! There is not enough data on it. Why in the hell do you think its under "research chemicals", basically we are guinea pigs when it comes to certain peptides.
100% true story... ok, My ex gf purchased a shirt for me about 10 days before I started my cycle of DES. The shirt fit perfectly for my style of dressing. I put the tee shirt on right befor we were about to go out for the night, my gf looks at me and says " Shawn wtf are you taking, your shoulders have gotten so big that you look hunched over and kind of crow-magnon looking+. The damn shirt looked like baby gap, hell no!!! I took my shirt off looked in the mirror, and was like shit" I have gained alot of size in a short time. I then reply, "babe, Im getting a little layer of fat on my abs" which she also noticed! One of my friends was so pissed off at me for giving him 2 free vials, he used one, and broke the other one in my drive way! Im not joking! My friend never goes over 6%BF! He too gained fat, or water in the exact same place! I know im kind of rambling here, Im just sharing a true story!!! DES, not for me, Hell even Dat wont touch DES!!! Ive been using a new compound called 4x! My hands are getting numb, my elbows have that HGH feeling, Im losing BF, Im sleeping better, I truly like, and vouch my online rep for this new compound! One piece of advise, Google questions on DES, you will find some very odd answers!! Sorry for hijacking the thread! PM me for questions on 4x. I dont want to be rude to peptide sponsors by mentioning the name of the company!

If you have your heart set on DES, micro dose it!!!
 
from what I have seen most reccomend 80 mcg daily split bilaterally, would you consider that microdosing?
 
DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!

The majority of people that have used DES here have reported insane pumps and reduced BF levels while gaining weight, you are one of the few that report to the contrary. I plan on starting at 50 mcg pwo per day in the muscle trained and will post my results.

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/75695-official-des-thread.html
 
I've been researching des for a while and I give my rats 100mcg pre-workout.

For example:

Naturally after legs workout my rats want to die and they can barely walk the next day and the day after they just roll around like a fat person due to their legs being so sore.

Two days ago I gave my rats 100mcg before their workout and not only they did more weight, went through 20 reps of everything like it was nothing, and finished their workout faster. They hit their calves harder than charlie sheen beating a porn star and they skipped on out of the gym. Their usual soreness was 85% less and it's been two days and their like nothing had happened.
 
i love this stuff. Noticable gains from one workout to the next.

usaully run 50mcg in each side, but occasionally will run 30mcg in 4 different spots... 30 in lats and traps.. 30 in bicep and 30 in brachs... 30 in lateral head triceps and 30 in long head... 30 in vastus lateralis and 30 in vastus medialis.. ect...

not only gives h.a.r.d. , solid pumps, but noticeable gains afterwards.

also, seems to have affected my facial "stucture".. cheekbones and jaw, ect...

NEVER noticed fat gain on it. i don't even get a hint of hypo.
 
i love this stuff. Noticable gains from one workout to the next.

usaully run 50mcg in each side, but occasionally will run 30mcg in 4 different spots... 30 in lats and traps.. 30 in bicep and 30 in brachs... 30 in lateral head triceps and 30 in long head... 30 in vastus lateralis and 30 in vastus medialis.. ect...

not only gives h.a.r.d. , solid pumps, but noticeable gains afterwards.

also, seems to have affected my facial "stucture".. cheekbones and jaw, ect...

NEVER noticed fat gain on it. i don't even get a hint of hypo.

do u use seperat syringes? or just 1?

i researched 100mcg bi lat---in the bis on monday pre wo---hit bis hard....unbelievable pump

anyway....my bi's never get sore....they are still sore today

some guys say they dont get sore with des...or noticably less sore

my findings are opposite....although i just started this research
 
do u use seperat syringes? or just 1?

i researched 100mcg bi lat---in the bis on monday pre wo---hit bis hard....unbelievable pump

anyway....my bi's never get sore....they are still sore today

some guys say they dont get sore with des...or noticably less sore

my findings are opposite....although i just started this research

i re-use syringes... i haven't noticed any degradation in any peps doing that.

i load 1 syringe with 100mcg's and pin with that.

i get pretty damn sore.
 

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