MMA fighting ultimate stacks.... ??

[kidwicked]

Alright fellas, Im gonna be taking two fights in early summer to try and get into next years Belletor Heavyweight tournement. There is very rare random testing at the lower pro level, and frankly it's a risk I'm willing to take.

I know I'm asking a little different question than most guys do on here, because I'm not looking for huge growth. I want Explosive Strength,quickness, and very important cardio. Im 290 today and have to cut down to 265 and I wanna retain as much strength and muscle as I can doin high cardio training.

I've ran Primo and EQ with Prop for a few past fights and felt good. I wanna know what all you super knowledgable guys think would be better. All the way acrossed the board too, anything that would help tell me your opinion. I'm curious about TNE, Clen, and few others. I fucked up last summer and ran a little tren before a fight i loved the strength but it destroyed my cardio. A guy who had no business in the cage with me hung in there with me because I gassed so bad. Lol. Gimme your opinions guys!! Thanks

 

[jp2007]

Here is my suggestion

Test- Keep the ester short in case you have to drop it for a drug test
Tren- Use it, but drop it 2 weeks before your fight so you wont get gassed
Halo- Take it for the last 2 weeks before your fight
Clen- Avoid it because of the cramps, if you want a fat burner use ephedra
HGH- 2-3iu's would be good for better sleep, fat loss, and helping your joints

I would keep it simple and you won't need much gear.
Test- 400-500mg
Tren- 200mg
Halo- 20mg

 

[nothuman]

I'd use mast over tren, even though 200mg is a low dose for tren

 

[jay_steel]

for mma I think I would favor

lower test 200-300 range
high eq around 600-800
Mast 500 range
winny around 50mg
or var around 75mg

eq will help you train longer, mast will get you that lean muscle, winny towards the end to help cut the weight, var to also will help put more lean mass on.

test is low to reduce water weighter and just to keep you normal.

 

[Colorado1900]

I've ran Primo and EQ with Prop for a few past fights and felt good.

Just curious....what was your Prop/Primo/EQ cycle like...Dosage and duration? Did you run the eq for 16 weeks? I read this is the recommended length in order to really get the most from it. Also, have you considered running any SAMRs along with your cycle? I read that some help with the cardio issues with Tren.

 

[Turkishexpress]

I'd use mast over tren, even though 200mg is a low dose for tren

Yeah, even at 200 tren will kill your cardio which you need for MMA especially if you're a heavyweight.

 

[jp2007]

I would avoid orals because of back pumps which usually come with them.

I mentioned 200mg tren to help him maintain strength and help lose bodyfat... Dropping it 2 weeks before the fight is plenty of time for it to clear so he shouldnt have any cardio problems come fight time.

Also 200mg tren is an ample amount for his goals.

 

[PitbullTank]

lmfao...bunch of clueless peeps responding that have never been around that level...thats if u ask me....lol :star-w:rs

 

[PitbullTank]

edit.... i dont think you should or need to do anything that could get you DQd...

 

[jp2007]

lmfao...bunch of clueless peeps responding that have never been around that level...thats if u ask me....lol :star-w:rs

You dont know who people on this board know so I think that is a foolish thing to say. I will leave it at that.

 

[PitbullTank]

You dont know who people on this board know so I think that is a foolish thing to say. I will leave it at that.

i said those who responded, not "people" on this board... say ME if you got sumthin to say... i dont care who you "know"...your recommendation is wack iz fuck...if ud like to debate WHY, we can discuss...

 

[jay_steel]

i do agree with Pitt. Getting DQ can mess up your chances... If your going to end up doing it I would go for stuff that is fast out of your system and stop running it, two weeks out.

 

[kidwicked]

Ive wrestled for 21 years, and have trained in MMA for 4 years. I can tell you I've taken fights both ways, on AAS and off. AAS does nothing for you on the technical side of the game in how smooth or slick a guy is. They do help when it comes to controlling an opponent I feel. I feel as if I can make a few more small mistakes on the ground and just power thru them. I've been in several corners in UFC, Stikeforce, and Belletor fights with fighters outta my gym, and around the game a lot, and if anyone thinks AAS and peptides dont play a huge role your very mistaken. The mistake is made when guys get caught. I can tell you for a fact that they don't wanna catch there fighters, and give them every possible chance to not get caught. A guy in my gym fight in the UFC in October and after the fight he was told he's was gonna be given a "random" blood test, but that he had up to 8 weeks to have it done by his Dr of choice.... Be pretty hard to get caught under those circumstances if you were running short ester drugs. I'd safely say that in the HWT division which I fight in 8/10 guys are on something illegal at some point throughout there camp and into the fight. IMO

 

[PitbullTank]

i do agree with Pitt. Getting DQ can mess up your chances... If your going to end up doing it I would go for stuff that is fast out of your system and stop running it, two weeks out.

no....you should b making strength and conditioning changes far farrrrr before fight time if we are talking getting less fat and using drugs for that purpose...i would just take a fight thats another 6 months out if you feel ur THAT outtta shape for it that u need a whole stack for weight loss... run whatever u want to run now, and get down in lbs, then keep a diet and focus on skills and sparring going up into tha fight... NOT weightloss...why rush here? its like a BBer saying i wanna do a show in 3 months but im 50lbs light, so whats the ULTIMATE STACK to get me there?? lol.... why not just push the date back a lil bit, feel me?

 

[jp2007]

i said those who responded, not "people" on this board... say ME if you got sumthin to say... i dont care who you "know"...your recommendation is wack iz fuck...if ud like to debate WHY, we can discuss...

Obviously people do things different.. I didnt just make things up, I spoke with some knowledge.. I am sorry you got upset about it.

You said what you think he should do, I said what I think he should do. Let's leave it at that.

 

[PitbullTank]

Ive wrestled for 21 years, and have trained in MMA for 4 years. I can tell you I've taken fights both ways, on AAS and off. AAS does nothing for you on the technical side of the game in how smooth or slick a guy is. They do help when it comes to controlling an opponent I feel. I feel as if I can make a few more small mistakes on the ground and just power thru them. I've been in several corners in UFC, Stikeforce, and Belletor fights with fighters outta my gym, and around the game a lot, and if anyone thinks AAS and peptides dont play a huge role your very mistaken. The mistake is made when guys get caught. I can tell you for a fact that they don't wanna catch there fighters, and give them every possible chance to not get caught. A guy in my gym fight in the UFC in October and after the fight he was told he's was gonna be given a "random" blood test, but that he had up to 8 weeks to have it done by his Dr of choice.... Be pretty hard to get caught under those circumstances if you were running short ester drugs. I'd safely say that in the HWT division which I fight in 8/10 guys are on something illegal at some point throughout there camp and into the fight. IMO

halo
test suspension
peptides
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im not saying dont do them, or they arent around.... im saying that your timing of things, and the recommendations could be better... tren 2 weeks upto fight is redonkulous...why tha fuck when your doing all that sparring the weeks upto tha fight would u want to b taking sumthin that gasses u out? no... use that shit far in tha offseason when ur focused on strength n conditioning n get off, use it for a lil help if u must...halo n suspension will take care of strength man without fuckin ur cardio... also, jp said short ester test and didnt specify anything... prop can b detetected sometime to 3-4weeks... if you come off 300mg prop after being on for several months, for 4 weeks, where do u think ur test levels will b at in a month at fight time???

MY PERSONAL RECOMENDATION- just use ghrp2/modgrf129 and not worry about ever pissing hot....ALOTTTTT of am/pro fighters i know are switching to these...

 

[kidwicked]

no....you should b making strength and conditioning changes far farrrrr before fight time if we are talking getting less fat and using drugs for that purpose...i would just take a fight thats another 6 months out if you feel ur THAT outtta shape for it that u need a whole stack for weight loss... run whatever u want to run now, and get down in lbs, then keep a diet and focus on skills and sparring going up into tha fight... NOT weightloss...why rush here? its like a BBer saying i wanna do a show in 3 months but im 50lbs light, so whats the ULTIMATE STACK to get me there?? lol.... why not just push the date back a lil bit, feel me?

I feel ya bro..for sure. However my deal here is that I have I reel off 3 or 4 pro wins by August to have a chance at getting into the tourney. I'm not running AAS to cut weight because I sure as you know cardio and weight loss comes easy in a good gym and having good trainers like I do. I just want to be able to retain as much muscle and strength as I can while I'm making the cut down to 265. You can look some Recent pics up of me on here of ya search my name and a thread about "Pretty simple... AAS+Lots of protein" I'm 6'5 and big framed at 290 and have visible abs.

 

[9muscle9]

Masteron, Halo, Test

dont use tren, it wont help your cardiovascular system one bit!

 

[frogger]

I would stay away from winny.......makes me tight. Lower back and my joints. Tried using for jiujitsu tourny and had to drop quickly. I like var but the pumps were so extreme my lower back hurt. Low dose test and hgh......best of luck brother

 

[Dog-Slime]

I would stay away from winny.......makes me tight. Lower back and my joints. Tried using for jiujitsu tourny and had to drop quickly. I like var but the pumps were so extreme my lower back hurt. Low dose test and hgh......best of luck brother

I dunno I think winny provides the best performance enhancement for swim (increases explosivesness) that other drugs dont have. But it's hell on the joints. So swim likes to add it in the last 2-4 weeks before the fight depending on how long it normally takes for your joints to get dry.