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So.... I've been considering whether to use NPP or Deca for a future cycle. I'm trying to decide which ones makes the most sense as an anabolic compound to add to Test.
I'm looking for: Lean mass gain, joint support, strength gain, and minimal bloating or uncontrollable side effects. (I realize that Pramipexole or Cabergoline is necessary with either of them, and this largely takes care of the 'deca dick'. )
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about NPP on here, so I'm hoping someone knowledgeable can chime in.
On paper, both compounds contain roughly similar percentages of the Nandrolone drug. The only difference that I can tell is that the esters are different.... Deca is slow-acting, whereas NPP is fast-acting. So, it would seem that the OVERALL RESULTS of the drug would be different in the short-term, but possibly similar across a long period of time. However, some people say this isn't the case (for some reason), and that the way the esters interact with the body makes the 2 drugs act different in terms of results.
Allow me to summarize my findings, and tell me if I'm correct. Also, explain why NPP is worth the extra cost and has over Deca. I'm not biased against either drug, I would just like to make a wise choice.
In my research, it appears that NPP has several downsides when compared to the old-fashioned Deca.
Cost: NPP costs about twice as much per week to run, compared to Deca. Mostly this is because NPP comes in 100mg/ml vials, whereas Deca which comes in 200-300mg/ml vials. The vials are roughly the same price. On a mg to mg basis, NPP is about twice the price.
Hassle: NPP has a relatively short half-life, and thus must be injected ED, EOD, or at least 2x a week. Deca, on the other hand, can be injected once a week.
To be fair, it has several important positives that most people report:
Less Bloating: NPP users report less bloating than Deca users.
Blood Levels Peak Faster: NPP reaches peak levels much more quickly in the blood than Deca. Thus, results would start coming faster.
Easy to Discontinue: NPP is quickly out of the system. This is good when someone wants to quit using it, for whatever reason. Deca remains in the blood for several weeks after cessation of use. That obviously makes PCT harder.
More Stable Blood Levels: Due the long ester in Deca, it has a slow gradual rise in the blood. That seems like it would make side effects potentially more difficult to control. On the other hand, NPP is very even in the blood after the first week of use.
Several users, Mike Arnold in particular, threw me for a loop when they said the long-ester of any steroid was actually more anabolic over time than shorter ester version. If that is true, then in this case, Deca would be the better muscle-builder. I have nothing to base this on, other than their word of mouth.
Here's the gist of my question though... if someone was going to a Nandrolone for a prolonged period of time, such as 12 weeks or more, does NPP still make sense? Do the benefits outweigh the added costs and hassle?
Over 3 months, the difference would amount to several hundred dollars, and 12 shots vs 36+ shots.
Also, would it depend on whether the use wants to 'Blast and Cruise', or use a traditional cycle + PCT? It would seem that Deca would be okay if the user was simply Blasting and Cruising, as it wouldn't quite matter when exactly Deca exits the system, as the user wouldn't be relying on natural testosterone recovering.
I'm looking for: Lean mass gain, joint support, strength gain, and minimal bloating or uncontrollable side effects. (I realize that Pramipexole or Cabergoline is necessary with either of them, and this largely takes care of the 'deca dick'. )
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about NPP on here, so I'm hoping someone knowledgeable can chime in.
On paper, both compounds contain roughly similar percentages of the Nandrolone drug. The only difference that I can tell is that the esters are different.... Deca is slow-acting, whereas NPP is fast-acting. So, it would seem that the OVERALL RESULTS of the drug would be different in the short-term, but possibly similar across a long period of time. However, some people say this isn't the case (for some reason), and that the way the esters interact with the body makes the 2 drugs act different in terms of results.
Allow me to summarize my findings, and tell me if I'm correct. Also, explain why NPP is worth the extra cost and has over Deca. I'm not biased against either drug, I would just like to make a wise choice.
In my research, it appears that NPP has several downsides when compared to the old-fashioned Deca.
Cost: NPP costs about twice as much per week to run, compared to Deca. Mostly this is because NPP comes in 100mg/ml vials, whereas Deca which comes in 200-300mg/ml vials. The vials are roughly the same price. On a mg to mg basis, NPP is about twice the price.
Hassle: NPP has a relatively short half-life, and thus must be injected ED, EOD, or at least 2x a week. Deca, on the other hand, can be injected once a week.
To be fair, it has several important positives that most people report:
Less Bloating: NPP users report less bloating than Deca users.
Blood Levels Peak Faster: NPP reaches peak levels much more quickly in the blood than Deca. Thus, results would start coming faster.
Easy to Discontinue: NPP is quickly out of the system. This is good when someone wants to quit using it, for whatever reason. Deca remains in the blood for several weeks after cessation of use. That obviously makes PCT harder.
More Stable Blood Levels: Due the long ester in Deca, it has a slow gradual rise in the blood. That seems like it would make side effects potentially more difficult to control. On the other hand, NPP is very even in the blood after the first week of use.
Several users, Mike Arnold in particular, threw me for a loop when they said the long-ester of any steroid was actually more anabolic over time than shorter ester version. If that is true, then in this case, Deca would be the better muscle-builder. I have nothing to base this on, other than their word of mouth.
Here's the gist of my question though... if someone was going to a Nandrolone for a prolonged period of time, such as 12 weeks or more, does NPP still make sense? Do the benefits outweigh the added costs and hassle?
Over 3 months, the difference would amount to several hundred dollars, and 12 shots vs 36+ shots.
Also, would it depend on whether the use wants to 'Blast and Cruise', or use a traditional cycle + PCT? It would seem that Deca would be okay if the user was simply Blasting and Cruising, as it wouldn't quite matter when exactly Deca exits the system, as the user wouldn't be relying on natural testosterone recovering.