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Carb loading for show prep- Discussion!

Killer.7

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Sup fellas. Just wanted to have a short discussion to see some opinions around here.

What is everyone's take on carb loading 3-4 days before a show. Has anyone done it along side aldactone use? Keeping water the same, adding a surplus of clean carbs and then a moderate dose of aldactone?

What is the most effective carb loading program you guys have played with?
 
My way to do this due to my metabolism etc..is different than the the norm as I easily carb up for a week, sometimes even longer and I eat tons of carbs as in tons, mostly rice, potatoes and then 2-3 days out I might have to add pancakes etc... Crazy amounts that would bloat up most people. And yes, I get shredded!!

Very little diuretic. Dyazide works fine, but aldactone is great, milder, 25mg starting Wednesday, but it all depends on how I am looking. Everyone is different, but I do not believe in using heavy diuretics. You must be in shape the week before the contest.

Water slowly reduced over the week and maybe cut out the day before by 6-8pm, sometimes midnight. It all depends.
 
Aldactone is a shit diuretic and it takes using it for a week to work properly. Use Dyazide or nothing at all(which is the preferred method if you can make it work).
 
Great Thead by Matt Porter - Contest prep, the final week

When you are in great condition a few weeks before a contest and have done everything in your power to be looking great without any unnecessary manipulations -- you technically should be able to coast into the day of the show.

However --- I still hear people using depletion methods along with sodium and carb manipulations starting 10 days out or so.....REALLY!?!?! You either look good or not at 10 days out and are only asking for trouble if doing this.

I witnessed a guy who could have won an overall this last Saturday lose by doing manipulations that were completely uncalled for.

I will say this --- Diuretics are NOT mandatory and you can be ultra dry without them, but choosing the RIGHT diuretic can definitely be an "insurance policy" in a sense.

I only feel comfortable advocating dyazide (triameterine/HCTZ) which is potassium sparing and acts very fast upon using. 1/2 tabs are all that is needed the evening before show time. It's just icing on the cake.

I still cannot figure out why guru's / competitors insist on using Aldactone for diuretic properties??? It's a friggin ANTI-ANDROGEN that is not a diuretic but an aldosterone blocker that takes 3-4 days to build up in blood.

Yet prep coaches will sometimes throw this in 1-2 days out which is really not adequate time for it to even work properly. Using aldactone is favored because it is considered "safe" and potassium sparing. However -- once this Androgen Blocker builds up in the blood --- chances are you may go very flat. Once aldosterone is blocked --- "shitload" on all the bacon burgers you want because it wont fill you because the aldosterone is now blocked and vascularity from increased blood pressure is non existent.

So use dyazide or nothing at all.


As for Sodium and carbs should REMAIN pretty much the same all during the final week --- and perhaps lowering sodium 1 day out is really as "extreme"as it should get. Carbs by that time are most likely low and you are looking dry and full due to high water and high sodium.

For carb loading --- that is something that can be done 1 day out or the morning of the show. Trust me --- you do not need 3 days of 800g / 1000g/ and 600g of carbs for weds, thurs and fri!!!!

That is asking for trouble! Most people fail to realize that you store anywhere from 175-250g in your liver , and anywhere from 375-500 as muscle glycogen.

Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say you are bigger than average (225lbs ripped) and are "depleted" so you now might be able to store more than that ---so instead if approximately 500-750g of glycogen,,,, you can top out at 1000g.

I would rather be 80% "full" and dry as all hell, then to push the envelope from 3000 grams of yams for 3 days!!!!

Trust me, high water and high sodium will keep you NOT flat.

Summation:

Be in shape 2 weeks out
keep water high and sodium high until friday before show
If using an "insurance policy" (diuretic) opt for dyazide only
Do not load carbs for 3 days to astronomical amounts
Use 1 day or day of show to load carbs and dry out simultaneously.

-Matt Porter aka FutureFreak
 
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oh this is an easy one lol

depends how you dieted and what you found during prep fills you out. then a good eye on the final 2 days works great! lol

be in shape and you wont have to do much or anything crazy.... theres no magical combination here.... every single person will peak differently

def true and def not what you wanted to hear!
 
Aldactone is a shit diuretic and it takes using it for a week to work properly. Use Dyazide or nothing at all(which is the preferred method if you can make it work).

I have used aldactone with great success. When using too much diuretic in general, you can go flat. Dyazide is stronger and so is Lasix. I have used these two as well, but maybe the night before and only a small dose. Again, you can go flat, but that's when you have to adjust your diet. You may have to eat more etc...

By the way, here many of you guys talk about the crazy conditioning people show in Europe. Well, without going too specific, I will say aldactone is a popular diuretic there and the only diuretic they use (at least in some countries I know for sure where the guys are crazy ripped).

Just my 2 cents
 
I have used aldactone with great success. When using too much diuretic in general, you can go flat. Dyazide is stronger and so is Lasix. I have used these two as well, but maybe the night before and only a small dose. Again, you can go flat, but that's when you have to adjust your diet. You may have to eat more etc...

By the way, here many of you guys talk about the crazy conditioning people show in Europe. Well, without going too specific, I will say aldactone is a popular diuretic there and the only diuretic they use (at least in some countries I know for sure where the guys are crazy ripped).

Just my 2 cents

I have used both aldactone, aldactazide, and dyazide. Have you?
 
oh this is an easy one lol

depends how you dieted and what you found during prep fills you out. then a good eye on the final 2 days works great! lol

be in shape and you wont have to do much or anything crazy.... theres no magical combination here.... every single person will peak differently

def true and def not what you wanted to hear!

Have you done shows without a diuretic?
 
I have used both aldactone, aldactazide, and dyazide. Have you?

Aldactone and dyazide. For my last show, I used a bit of Lasix the night before too. I would recommend Lasix the least as I consider it the most dangerous. Dyazide is great, stronger than aldactone. I have used both equally successful. I like that aldactone is milder. In general I use very little diuretic as I am always in great shape by the last week and it takes quite a long time to fill out. When you do your homework I do not think much diuretic should be used.
 
Aldactone and dyazide. For my last show, I used a bit of Lasix the night before too. I would recommend Lasix the least as I consider it the most dangerous. Dyazide is great, stronger than aldactone. I have used both equally successful. I like that aldactone is milder. In general I use very little diuretic as I am always in great shape by the last week and it takes quite a long time to fill out. When you do your homework I do not think much diuretic should be used.

Agreed on that last part. I have used aldactone(and aldactazide the night prior to the show) and then I have used dyazide at a few shows. Dyazide is harder to fuck up...and an easier process....though I have looked fantastic with both. However, 5-6 yrs ago...I thought a touch of diuretic was a necessity and in the future I hope to do enough work and take the proper steps to not use a diuretic.
 
Great Thead by Matt Porter - Contest prep, the final week

When you are in great condition a few weeks before a contest and have done everything in your power to be looking great without any unnecessary manipulations -- you technically should be able to coast into the day of the show.

However --- I still hear people using depletion methods along with sodium and carb manipulations starting 10 days out or so.....REALLY!?!?! You either look good or not at 10 days out and are only asking for trouble if doing this.

I witnessed a guy who could have won an overall this last Saturday lose by doing manipulations that were completely uncalled for.

I will say this --- Diuretics are NOT mandatory and you can be ultra dry without them, but choosing the RIGHT diuretic can definitely be an "insurance policy" in a sense.

I only feel comfortable advocating dyazide (triameterine/HCTZ) which is potassium sparing and acts very fast upon using. 1/2 tabs are all that is needed the evening before show time. It's just icing on the cake.

I still cannot figure out why guru's / competitors insist on using Aldactone for diuretic properties??? It's a friggin ANTI-ANDROGEN that is not a diuretic but an aldosterone blocker that takes 3-4 days to build up in blood.

Yet prep coaches will sometimes throw this in 1-2 days out which is really not adequate time for it to even work properly. Using aldactone is favored because it is considered "safe" and potassium sparing. However -- once this Androgen Blocker builds up in the blood --- chances are you may go very flat. Once aldosterone is blocked --- "shitload" on all the bacon burgers you want because it wont fill you because the aldosterone is now blocked and vascularity from increased blood pressure is non existent.

So use dyazide or nothing at all.


As for Sodium and carbs should REMAIN pretty much the same all during the final week --- and perhaps lowering sodium 1 day out is really as "extreme"as it should get. Carbs by that time are most likely low and you are looking dry and full due to high water and high sodium.

For carb loading --- that is something that can be done 1 day out or the morning of the show. Trust me --- you do not need 3 days of 800g / 1000g/ and 600g of carbs for weds, thurs and fri!!!!

That is asking for trouble! Most people fail to realize that you store anywhere from 175-250g in your liver , and anywhere from 375-500 as muscle glycogen.

Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say you are bigger than average (225lbs ripped) and are "depleted" so you now might be able to store more than that ---so instead if approximately 500-750g of glycogen,,,, you can top out at 1000g.

I would rather be 80% "full" and dry as all hell, then to push the envelope from 3000 grams of yams for 3 days!!!!

Trust me, high water and high sodium will keep you NOT flat.

Summation:

Be in shape 2 weeks out
keep water high and sodium high until friday before show
If using an "insurance policy" (diuretic) opt for dyazide only
Do not load carbs for 3 days to astronomical amounts
Use 1 day or day of show to load carbs and dry out simultaneously.

-Matt Porter aka FutureFreak


Everything is based on how you are looking and on the person. Like I said, I carb up with crazy amounts of carbs, 7-11 days out and I am one of the very most conditioned guys onstage. I carb up most of my clients about 3 days out, maybe 2 days out and the amount of carbs used varies from person to person.
 
My way to do this due to my metabolism etc..is different than the the norm as I easily carb up for a week, sometimes even longer and I eat tons of carbs as in tons, mostly rice, potatoes and then 2-3 days out I might have to add pancakes etc... Crazy amounts that would bloat up most people. And yes, I get shredded!!

Very little diuretic. Dyazide works fine, but aldactone is great, milder, 25mg starting Wednesday, but it all depends on how I am looking. Everyone is different, but I do not believe in using heavy diuretics. You must be in shape the week before the contest.

Water slowly reduced over the week and maybe cut out the day before by 6-8pm, sometimes midnight. It all depends.

If your still taking in water up until Friday night why start a diuretic on Wed.?
 
If your still taking in water up until Friday night why start a diuretic on Wed.?

I am but I am reducing it slowly. If I start the diuretic on Wednesday it would be a small dose before bed. Then, Thursday water is usually cut down by 1/2.
 
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Have you done shows without a diuretic?

yessir... 1liter of water before prejudging too

i cant figure out how to post multiple pix from phone so 1 at time....

this was night show after another liter water nd a shit meal (test run, wanted to see how body reacted show was already over)
 

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this was prejudging.... goal wasnt to peak, just be a little tighter enough to walk through the show and test a few things
 

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pre on left night on right (reaalllyy started to flatten hadnt eaten and then they made me pose my ass off for pictures after i wo )
 

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warlock...... good posts bro
Aldactone works great, you have to know how to use it, I thought I always knew how but got schooled last year.

For any diuretic to work like a bodybuilder wants it to work you never want to completely shut off water, you need water to make the diuretic TRULY work.
 
was already pretty lean.... was already pretty flat from dieting close to Nats.....

1. added back carbs til SOMEWHAT full (not skin popping full)

2. reduced carbs (carbs hold water... allowed me to dry), kept pro hi (slight diuretic effect), veggies, some fats (didnt wanna fat load was not peaking for this one and needed to get leaner)

3. sodium SLIGHTLY (but not much) reduced second half of friday

4. little bit of sugar to pump up

water stayed high until bed fri
water was never cut
day of show was water w some caffinated mio (SLIGHT diuretic effect and also mood enhancer)


wasnt shredded for this one but was lean.... KISS
 
For any diuretic to work like a bodybuilder wants it to work you never want to completely shut off water, you need water to make the diuretic TRULY work.

truth! diuretics dont push water out of body, just block reabsorption (or absorption) of sodium... water still has to flow for it to leave the body
 
For any diuretic to work like a bodybuilder wants it to work you never want to completely shut off water, you need water to make the diuretic TRULY work.

Could you talk about that a little more? I would think to dry out you would want to expel water from your body and using a diuretic to do that. So taking in water while doing that would seem counter productive. I'm asking because I've never used a diuretic before.
 

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