Igf (des/ lr3) to replace hgh for muscle growth.

[nfernoo]

Considering a few options and need advice. This is strictly for muscle growth/hyperplasia and no other benefits. All protocols will include AAS/slin.

Protocol 1:

5iu gh 5 days on 2 off and igf des 200mcg per day

Protocol 2:

10iu gh 5 days on 2 off

Protocol 3:

Igf des 200mcg per day and igf lr3 100mcg per day
(Cycling lr3 30 days on 30 off)

I'm wondering which protocol would help me gain the most quality muscle when added to AAS.

 

[need4tren]

gh the more the better, gh will produce way better gains then peptides, but when i say gh i mean pharm brands, not generic, generic is crap and if thats the case use peptides.

personally i would run as much gh as i can afford, and use the left over on igf-lr3, just use 50-100mcg a day dont need to break bank on peptides

way i see it

most important use the dose of gear u need
be able to afford the food u need to grow
then add gh
then add slin
then add peptides with extra cash

 

[nfernoo]

gh the more the better, gh will produce way better gains then peptides, but when i say gh i mean pharm brands, not generic, generic is crap and if thats the case use peptides.

personally i would run as much gh as i can afford, and use the left over on igf-lr3, just use 50-100mcg a day dont need to break bank on peptides

way i see it

most important use the dose of gear u need
be able to afford the food u need to grow
then add gh
then add slin
then add peptides with extra cash

The point of gh is to bring up igf levels right?
From everything I've read, igfs will bring the most muscle
and in a shorter amount of time vs gh.

But idk. That's why I'm asking here.
Thanks for the response buddy.

 

[Growman]

Need4Tren has a great point because he says pharma grade GH. If you can afford Pharma grade GH then by all means thats the way to go. Getting Pharma IGF is almost unheard of... However pharma GH is obtainable.

You are correct that the main result of GH use for muscle building is increased IGF levels. However GH also keeps you lean and has a lot of other benefits.

I have gotten great results from GH and IGF. If I were you I would try to mix the 2. Maybe take Need4Tren's advice and invest in some pharma GH, but just keep the peps simple. Just do LR3 30 days on and 30 days off, 80-100mcgs per day. That way its not a huge investment and it wont take too much money away from your GH budget.

 

[weltweite]

The point of gh is to bring up igf levels right?
From everything I've read, igfs will bring the most muscle
and in a shorter amount of time vs gh.

But idk. That's why I'm asking here.
Thanks for the response buddy.

Not quite that straight forward really.

There are actually receptors for GH itself in addition to receptors for IGF.

Also there is evidence that locally produced (autocrine/paracrine) MGF is increased from GH administration too. (MGF for proliferation, IGF for differentation) Plus yes the fat loss effect like Growman stated.

 

[nfernoo]

Much appreciated guys.

But remember I said I wasn't looking for other benefits other than muscle growth.

The best des and lr3 I've ever used is actually cheap.


As far as pharmacy grade gh. A generic here gave same igf level
at 10iu that 8 iu pharmacy grade gave. And at a 1/3 of price.

Hgh muscle growth takes time with igf levels being high constantly.
While str8 igf supposedly starts growing u sooner.
Igf-lr3 is stronger than igf-1 while igf des is stronger than both.

Just things I'm reading.

Thank u guys

 

[Growman]

Its all going to come down to the level of products you get. If you get really good generics then you will be in good shape. If you get good des and LR3 then yes you will get really good results pretty quickly.

I have been in the same boat as you several times, and after a long run on GH i have come off and thought that i could get the same results from LR3 every other month. And then when i stop and i come off the GH after a while i always want to go back on it, so obviously i like the results.

I know you said that you only care about muscle building, but the fat loss and skin tightening is a nice bonus. If your GH is good you can eat a lot of calories and you should not gain fat as long as they are clean calories, so that will help your muscle building efforts.

Either way you are in good shape if you get good stuff, like i said i would try to mix the both of them to get the best of both worlds.

 

[johnjuanb1]

If it's pharma grade hgh than do the 10ius gh protocol. If it's generic I'd do the 5ius plus des. Nothing beats pharma grade hgh.

 

[Geoffke]

gh the more the better, gh will produce way better gains then peptides, but when i say gh i mean pharm brands, not generic, generic is crap and if thats the case use peptides.

personally i would run as much gh as i can afford, and use the left over on igf-lr3, just use 50-100mcg a day dont need to break bank on peptides

way i see it

most important use the dose of gear u need
be able to afford the food u need to grow
then add gh
then add slin
then add peptides with extra cash

Have you ever used hygetropin? This is good generic hgh

 

[johnjuanb1]

Have you ever used hygetropin? This is good generic hgh

I thought hygetropin sucked!!! It was legit but didn't so much.

 

[nfernoo]

If it's pharma grade hgh than do the 10ius gh protocol. If it's generic I'd do the 5ius plus des. Nothing beats pharma grade hgh.

Wasnt it you that said u gained more muscle on igf lr3 than gh?
And u walked away from a great gh deal (smacking you )

I can't afford 10iu pharm lol.
cant barely afford generic.

All great advice here guys. Much appreciated.

Every thing I read says igf is better than hgh for muscle growth (elsewhere)
The key is legit igf and hgh.
I'm probably gonna do hgh and igf des as jj mentioned.
hgh at 5iu des at 200mcg per day

Thanks gents.

Idk if I can post this link. If not please delete the link mods, and not me lol. I see this everywhere.

IGF-1 lr3 the Anabolic Powerhouse - Evolutionary.org

 

[Growman]

Yeah you are on the right track, 5 iu's will be nice. Just do the des bilaterally into the muscle worked before each workout. You shouldnt need 200, 160 is more than enough. So like 80 into each bi before you do bi's.

Dont sleep on LR3 though. I switched over to Des for a while but im back to LR3, i like the fact that its active all day. Just do it one month on one off so your receptors dont get burnt out.

 

[Geoffke]

I thought hygetropin sucked!!! It was legit but didn't so much.

Do you used hygetropin.com.cn or hygetropin.cn?
Did you take it recently and at what dosage?

I had great resuts on 6IU , but I feel like one kit is stronger then the other

 

[BIG EVIL42]

Here's another option that I will be trying soon that many have called the "optimal" way to get the most of your GH for muscle growth.

DO THIS 3X/DAY:
A.M., PREWORKOUT, AND BEFORE BED:

2oomg Huperzine
100mcg GHRP-2/100 mcg CJC NO DAC
wait 10-15 min then:
2 iu GH
wait 30 minutes later
5-10 iu slin followed by a meal high in carbs and protein.

200 mcg IGF DES PREWORKOUT SPLIT BILATERALLY

You should get the benefits of 10 iu GH with the Pep spikes before your GH

Just another option bro

 

[Knight9]

Some of this is all wrong. First, you guys need to realize that injecting IGF-1 is not going to up your IGF levels. Growth hormone does do that though! So do the right peptides.

Pharma GH is the way to go. Period. I don't think IGF is worth much of a shit...and IGF DES (IF IT IS REAL AND SEQUENCED CORRECTLY - AND THAT IS A BIG IF) is probably the IGF worth using in conjunction with MGF and pharma GH.

 

[need4tren]

gh is better because how it works. its the conversion of gh that makes the igf usefull. gh turns on Stat5a/b signaling which makes ur body allow it to release igf-1 which leads to skeletal muscle growth but also Stat5a/b signaling enhances androgren receptors which make the igf able to bind

which u can see why using aas combined with gh is more effective

 

[need4tren]

for all the people use who generic, ur better off using hex +cjc no dac. at least u know what ur getting. money ull save u can invest in some cjc with dac to increase igf-1 levels. or save for pharm gh

2iu of pharm beats 10iu generic by far

 

[nfernoo]

for all the people use who generic, . ur better off using hex +cjc no dac. at least u know what ur getting. money ull save u can invest in some cjc with dac to increase igf-1 levels. or save for pharm gh

2iu of pharm beats 10iu generic by far

2iu of pharm beats 10iu generic?
idk about that if generic is good.
Rips was getting igf levels at near exactly the same as pharm
10iu rips was similar to 8 iu pharma.

 

[Growman]

You gotta figure out what you want to do brother. Right now im on Dac and MK to increase my own GH. And i just threw in some LR3...

I like GH and an looking to get some soon. I will probably get good generic, even though i told you to get pharma lol. I just cant afford it right now.

Like Knight said, its unlikely to get IGF that is truly what it is supposed to be. Right now i am taking a board sponsors and its good, but i have never taken pharma IGF so who knows...

What i can say is that the Dac and MK are definitely working.

 

[nfernoo]

Since ill be taking generic (good generic)

What about 15 iu 5days on 2 off
vs
10iu 5days a week. With igf des 200mcg 7 days a week?

As I've stated. I'm only interested in hyperplasia/muscle growth benefits.