Have any of you convinced your Fathers to go on TRT?

FrancisK · Apr 28, 2016

My Dad is in his early 60's and in great health, no ailments whatsoever, but he acts like he's dying and the world is ending any time he's faced with any situation that requires effort. He didn't used to be his way he's a very successful businessman but over the past 10 years he's just changed into a shell of his former self and it's hurt him a lot both financially and with his family. I'm more than a decade removed from relying on my father financially but my mother and sisters still count on him at home although they've learned to a lot less over the past decade or so. He went from having thriving businesses to pretty much running them into the ground with inaction. He's lucky he had a cushion and both of my sisters make their own money and even my mom works now and they can all rely on me if needed, if it weren't for that he would be in a lot of trouble. Anytime he's faced with any type of decision or anything at all that needs action he puts his head down and acts like he's under this incredibly tormenting stress. I'm not even going to bother with all the opportunities in front of him that he willfully missed because it makes my blood boil. My life has changed a lot the past few years and there have been many times where I needed his help with business related things or something as simple as the support of my father and he just wasn't there, I've also learned that I'm on my own. It's not that he doesn't care it's like he just gave up on trying in life, he was always a strong father figure in the past maybe not emotionally but definitely with stern guidance when I needed it. It's hurting me and my sisters to see our father like this and I know it's hurting him even more it's like he has a disease but doesn't know it.

Right now the partnership in his last cash business is dissolving and my aunts family which is the other partner wants to either buy him out or he has to buy them out and take over. Really it's a bluff because they know he'll never take over with the way he is now, even though he should because the place is a cash cow, so they're offering to buy him out for well under value or him buy them out for the same price. Pretty smart by them and they know they can get away with it as my dad for some reason thinks he's a walking corpse. Every time I ask him about it he puts his head down and just sighs like it's this horrible thing. It's obviously not ideal that he is going to sell for a low amount but he's still getting a large lump sum of cash while right now he's getting nothing out of the place. The best option would be for him to go take over and leave for it sale until a buyer with a real offer comes through, or even if that buyer doesn't come through the place makes great money. Neither option is ideal for different reasons but neither of them are necessarily a bad thing, why the hell is he acting like the world is ending when he has to deal with it?! He's been coming to me and my sisters groveling about it looking for pity, if this was my father from 15 years ago he would walk into the place throw the money at their feet and kick them in the ass out the door!!

I'm fully convinced my father would immensely benefit from a healthy dose of testosterone but I know it would be an impossible sell. Forget me jabbing him with a syringe that will simply never happen but I think convincing him to consult a doctor about it would be just as difficult, he's off the boat and seeing a doctor might as well be asking him to worship the devil. That's without even considering finding a doctor that would be on board, I read the stories on here, or my dad ponying up the cash for it. It's not the cash itself it's just that he would see it as a waste of money and my dad doesn't spend on ANYTHING unless it's absolutely necessary. I know they have other methods like deodorant gels and stuff like that but again the doctor issue and I don't think I've ever seen any for sale in the UL market plus I would never forgive myself or be forgiven if something went wrong with some UL stuff. I know the new thing is clomid and I could throw some tiny clomid tabs his way but is that really a long term option?

Have any of you guys convinced your fathers to go on test? What did you do and what was the outcome??

Thanks guys, this is something really important to me.

nothuman · Apr 28, 2016

I tried to get my step dad to think about it but he is adamantly against. He buys into the propaganda unfortunately.

jay_dub · Apr 28, 2016

My dad went through the entire process based on all the research I presented to him. I found him a TRT clinic 5 hrs away recommended by a couple members on this board. He went and met with them and then the rest was over phone/mail.

little slice · Apr 28, 2016

i got my dad some test E, some insulin needs, and an AI

he said he's never felt better

johnjuanb1 · Apr 28, 2016

FrancisK said:
My Dad is in his early 60's and in great health, no ailments whatsoever, but he acts like he's dying and the world is ending any time he's faced with any situation that requires effort. He didn't used to be his way he's a very successful businessman but over the past 10 years he's just changed into a shell of his former self and it's hurt him a lot both financially and with his family. I'm more than a decade removed from relying on my father financially but my mother and sisters still count on him at home although they've learned to a lot less over the past decade or so. He went from having thriving businesses to pretty much running them into the ground with inaction. He's lucky he had a cushion and both of my sisters make their own money and even my mom works now and they can all rely on me if needed, if it weren't for that he would be in a lot of trouble. Anytime he's faced with any type of decision or anything at all that needs action he puts his head down and acts like he's under this incredibly tormenting stress. I'm not even going to bother with all the opportunities in front of him that he willfully missed because it makes my blood boil. My life has changed a lot the past few years and there have been many times where I needed his help with business related things or something as simple as the support of my father and he just wasn't there, I've also learned that I'm on my own. It's not that he doesn't care it's just like he just gave up on trying in life, he was always a strong father figure in the past maybe not emotionally but definitely with stern guidance when I needed it. It's hurting me and my sisters to see our father like this and I know it's hurting him even more it's like he has a disease but doesn't know it.

Right now the partnership in his last cash business is dissolving and my aunts family which is the other partner wants to either buy him out or he has to buy them out and take over. Really it's a bluff because they know he'll never take over with the way he is now, even though he should because the place is a cash cow, so they're offering to buy him out for well under value or him buy them out for the same price. Pretty smart by them and they know they can get away with it as my dad for some reason thinks he's a walking corpse. Every time I ask him about it he puts his head down and just sighs like it's this horrible thing. It's obviously not ideal that he is going to sell for a low amount but he's still getting a large lump sum of cash while right now he's getting nothing out of the place. The best option would be for him to go take over and leave for it sale until a buyer with a real offer comes through, or even if that buyer doesn't come through the place makes great money. Neither option is ideal for different reason but neither of them are necessarily a bad thing, why the hell is he acting like the world is ending when he has to deal with it?! He's been coming to me and my sisters groveling about it looking for pity, if this was my father from 15 years ago he would walk into the place throw the money at their feet and kick them in the ass out the door!!

I'm fully convinced my father would immensely benefit from a healthy dose of testosterone but I know it would be an impossible sell. Forget me jabbing him with a syringe that will simply never happen but I think convincing him to consult a doctor about it would be just as difficult, he's off the boat and seeing a doctor might as well be asking him to worship the devil. That's without even considering finding a doctor that would be on board, I read the stories on here, or my dad ponying up the cash for it. It's not the cash itself it's just that he would see it as a waste of money and my dad doesn't spend on ANYTHING unless it's absolutely necessary. I know they have other methods like deodorant gels and stuff like that but again the doctor issue and I don't think I've ever seen any for sale in the UL market plus I would never forgive myself or be forgiven if something went wrong with some UL stuff. I know the new thing is clomid and I could throw some tiny clomid tabs his way but is that really a long term option?

Have any of you guys convinced your fathers to go on test? What did you do and what was the outcome??

Thanks guys, this is something really important to me.

There is a research liquid that is a major improvement over clomid and as effective as TRT. It's called Enclomiphene citrate.

Testosterone Restoration by Enclomiphene Citrate in Men with Secondary Hypogonadism: Pharmacodynamics and Pharmacokinetics.
Wiehle R, et al. BJU Int. 2013.

Abstract

OBJECTIVES: To determine the pharmacodynamic (PD) profile of serum total testosterone levels (TT) and luteinizing hormone (LH) in men with secondary hypogonadism following initial and chronic daily oral doses of enclomiphene citrate in comparison to transdermal testosterone. To determine the effects of daily oral doses of enclomiphene citrate (Androxal®) in comparison to transdermal testosterone on other hormones and markers in men with secondary hypogonadism.

PATIENTS AND METHODS: This was a randomized, single blind, two-center phase II study to evaluate three different doses of enclomiphene citrate (6.25mg, 12.5mg and 25 mg Androxal®), versus AndroGel®, a transdermal testosterone, on 24-hour LH and TT in otherwise normal healthy men with secondary hypogonadism. Forty-eight men were enrolled in the trial (ITT Population), but 4 men had T levels >350 ng/dL at baseline. Forty-four men completed the study per protocol (PP population). All subjects enrolled in this trial had serum TT in the low range (<350 ng/dL) and had low to normal LH (<12 IU/L) on at least two occasions. TT and LH levels were assessed each hour for 24 hours to examine the effects at each of three treatment doses of enclomiphene versus a standard dose (5 grams) of transdermal testosterone (AndroGel). In the initial profile TT and LH were determined in a naïve population following a single initial oral or transdermal treatment (Day 1). This was contrasted to that seen after six weeks of continuous daily oral or transdermal treatment (Day 42). The pharmacokinetics of enclomiphene was performed in a select subpopulation. Serum samples were obtained over the course of the study to determine levels of various hormones and lipids.

RESULTS: After six weeks of continuous use, the mean ± SD concentration of TT at Day 42 C0hrTT, was 604 ± 160 ng/dL for men taking the highest of dose of enclomiphene citrate (enclomiphene, 25 mg daily) and 500 ± 278 ng in those men treated with transdermal testosterone. These values were higher than Day 1 values but not different from each other (p = 0.23, T-test). All three doses of enclomiphene increased C0hrTT, CavgTT, CmaxTT, CminTT and CrangeTT. Transdermal testosterone also raised TT, albeit with more variability, and with suppressed LH levels. The patterns of TT over 24 hour period following six weeks of dosing could be fit to a non-linear function with morning elevations, mid-day troughs, and rising night-time levels. Enclomiphene and transdermal testosterone increased levels of TT within two weeks, but they had opposite effects on FSH and LH Treatment with enclomiphene did not significantly affect levels of TSH, ACTH, cortisol, lipids, or bone markers. Both transdermal testosterone and enclomiphene citrate decreased IGF-1 levels (p<0.05) but suppression was greater in the enclomiphene citrate groups.

CONCLUSIONS: Enclomiphene citrate increased serum LH and TT; however, there was not a temporal association between the peak drug levels and the Cmax levels LH or TT. Enclomiphene citrate consistently increased serum TT into the normal range and increased LH and FSH above the normal range. The effects on LH and TT persisted for at least one week after stopping treatment.

jasong · Apr 28, 2016

I talked to my Dad about trt when he asked if I was on steroids. I told him no, but if my test levels are low I won't hesitate and told him he should get checked out being over 60. He said he already did and was told he had acceptable levels. He didn't know the number but I'm sure it was low as hell.

GottaGain · Apr 28, 2016

Clomid sucked for me. Just gave me acne and messed with my emotions. I'll never touch it again and wouldn't recommend it for your old man's situation. Trt could help. but if he's as stubborn as you say then there's not a whole lot you can do unless you talk with him about the behavior you've noticed.

Thaistick · Apr 28, 2016

I got my dad on HRT 14 years ago. He's 75 now. Honestly it may help your father but it sounds like he may just be very depressed. He sounds very unhappy. Has he ever seen a therapist? You need to let him know that you are there for him if he feels that badly. I've had to step up during family crises for the last few years. A few of my dad's friends committed suicide in their sixties. Do you think you could at least get him to have some bloodwork done to check his hormones? It's not like he has to go the needle route. The gel does work, albeit not as well, but better than nothing.

Jasons1985 · Apr 28, 2016

All the old timers i know out here are ignorant as fuck. They probably think taking T is up there with heroine.

They'd rather spend the money on lotto tickets, beer, and sweets.

MaineGuy · Apr 28, 2016

Thaistick said:
I got my dad on HRT 14 years ago. He's 75 now. Honestly it may help your father but it sounds like he may just be very depressed. He sounds very unhappy. Has he ever seen a therapist? You need to let him know that you are there for him if he feels that badly. I've had to step up during family crises for the last few years. A few of my dad's friends committed suicide in their sixties. Do you think you could at least get him to have some bloodwork done to check his hormones? It's not like he has to go the needle route. The gel does work, albeit not as well, but better than nothing.

Low Test can cause depression.

ALLEX · Apr 28, 2016

I talked to my father few years ago, when he was 66. Even talked to his geriatric specialist about it and both said there was no point, since he was diabetic and libido was long gone. I asked his doc about additional benefits of TRT, like mood, etc and he kind of ignored me.

Many people think testosterone is just for sex.

FrancisK · Apr 28, 2016

Thanks for the replies fellas, happy I made the thread. Sure he is depressed but not in the sense that something happened to him or he has an underlying issue, he's actually a pretty jovial and confident person. The only time he goes into his "the sky is falling" routine is whenever there is any type of pressure whatsoever put on him to do anything, it's hard to explain. I hate to put it in these terms but sometimes he needs to "man up" for things and get shit done but he just doesn't do it anymore even if the things he needs to get done are undoubtedly positive situations. Like the smallest thing he acts like is the largest and most insurmountable issue but at the same time he has hobbies and things he likes to do, it's like he's become terrified of responsibility and can't take anything on. It's gotten progressively worse over the past 10 years or so, it's like the opposite of being jacked up on test which makes me think test will help.

He knows I'm there for him and I always have been, I have his back no matter what he's my Dad but there are things I can't do for him and he needs to do himself, specifically but not limited to business situations. He's pretty much letting everything he built for himself fall apart because he doesn't want to do anything about it, even if it's something simple.....no motivation. My sisters and I are fed up with it and we try to guide him but it's no help we can't force him to do anything.

FrancisK · Apr 29, 2016

Has anyone had expierences with Th deodorant or things like that? Not even sure if it could be found from a UGL

cashrolling · Apr 30, 2016

I started my father 5 years agi, at 67. It took me 2 years prior that to make him even consider the idea, he is old school. I finally took him to a lab to test his testosterone lvl and it was bottom dead. Finally started, tweack his dose to have him in the middle of the range at 70mg x week. He is a different person ever since and still thanks me how i give him a new life!!

FrancisK · May 1, 2016

cashrolling said:
I started my father 5 years agi, at 67. It took me 2 years prior that to make him even consider the idea, he is old school. I finally took him to a lab to test his testosterone lvl and it was bottom dead. Finally started, tweack his dose to have him in the middle of the range at 70mg x week. He is a different person ever since and still thanks me how i give him a new life!!

That sounds great and exactly what I want for my pops, I know it would improve his life so much. What changes did you notice??

GreenEarth · May 1, 2016

cashrolling said:
I started my father 5 years agi, at 67. It took me 2 years prior that to make him even consider the idea, he is old school. I finally took him to a lab to test his testosterone lvl and it was bottom dead. Finally started, tweack his dose to have him in the middle of the range at 70mg x week. He is a different person ever since and still thanks me how i give him a new life!!

That's awesome. It's amazing how something that so many people blindly turn against can actually be the means of turning your life around, hmm? I'll have to speak to my father about the possibility.

Mikebacker · May 1, 2016

I got my dad to go in and get tested about 3 years ago. It was the best thing he ever did. Dr. tried getting him to do the gel and the natural boosters but I pushed him towards the real deal and he listened. He still thanks me to this day.

Love_to_Bodybuild · May 1, 2016

dads been getting tested for at least five years, 62 years old, and at 450 or so his last test. its tested lower a few years ago upon fasting so this test was after a full day so i think getting tested is fine after eating for tesosterone and may cause a higher reading

Ehren · May 2, 2016

FrancisK said:
The only time he goes into his "the sky is falling" routine is whenever there is any type of pressure whatsoever put on him to do anything, it's hard to explain.

My Dad's the EXACT same way. He retired at like 53, so had great success at running a big company then invested very well. He has no financial issues at all. He's older now and has some health issues, like an old person. But whenever anything...anything at all needs to be done, he just can't be bothered. He doesn't get sad though, his thing is anger.

He was on TRT for a while and doing better, but quit when he moved from where his doc was. I've been trying to get him back on, but he's all about bitching about the insurance costs and big pharma. LOL. Jeez.

Get your dad on, or at least tested.

dunamis99 · May 2, 2016

My dad is on it, and he looks better than ever, feels great, energized and young! He's 54 and hits the weights every day

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