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All the guys you list i agree are good. Rahal that guy in Canada know for his hairlines? I only stating US guys. Bernstien is good but he not better than Cole or Babauc. I know first hand. Cole and Babauc also offer BHT and do repair work. I dont know many doctors doing bht. Cole has lot experience in repair work and moving hairtransplants game forward as a whole. im not sure how he burned people. He does lost repair cases and those guys going him think he can work miracles get upset and expectations too high. Anyways im looking for bets bht doctor at this time. Umar has lot experience but his artistic skill is not there.
Well we'll agree to disagree on Cole and Baubac. I don't want to get into all the specifics of what I know but when I say Cole isn't on par with those guys it's with reason, there are docs that are at the level you believe him to be at, you'd be well served to go those other directions but ultimately that is everybodys own choice. I got no real complaints about Baubac, i just disagreed about him being the best hairline doc, I got a few ahead of him but he delivers results.

Umar is definitely the bht doctor to go with if you need to max grafts, nobody gets the number he does, most don't like to go outside the beard, chest is a stretch for many these days let alone where Dr Umar is willing to go. How many grafts are you trying to get? and how big a region are you hoping to fill? Your best bet may come out of country. Dr Oztan has gotten some good feedback in Turkey, have you looked abroad or are you set on staying home?
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One of the problems with PRP is that I believe many places will just do it without really knowing how to do it effectively. I don't plan on doing it for at least another year.

I just remember the CEO and Dr is a female. Gail I think? Anyways the only problem is that for at least a couple of years it will be available in Mexico. I think you need to go for 3 treatments spaced out and the results are pretty much guar teed 2-7 years. Price Ive heard is quite vague around $1000 a pop and there goal is to have it slightly cheaper then a FUT/FUE. Go figure. For someone who is NOT a diffuse thinner I would just go for FUT FUE, its tried tested and true and permanent. I think there are a couple more treatments in the pipeline, Replicel and some Japanese treatment I believe but for those you are still looking at 4-5-6 years down the line.

It has a lot to do with attitude, self confidence and personality too. For instance if Dwayne Johnson was 5'4 155 lbs and an average joe I don't think it would look as good. So to a certain extent a big bodybuilder can get away with it IMO. When I shaved my head 10 years ago or so, I looked much meaner and like somebody you wouldn't mess with. Once in a while I will encounter a short scrawny bald dude and I wonder where the fk does that guy get the balls to talk like that?lol
Imagine a bald Joe Pesci. Funny thing is they get women too. They have no baldy complex at all but good for them.
What do you feel they may be doing incorrectly with prp?

Yup that was what I read as well, Mexico will see it in 2018 and just under a grand a pop, which isn't bad if effective. I saw that it was a significant improvement between 12 weeks and 1 year so it makes sense to space it out. I didn't read about the life span anywhere that I can recall but every 2 years would be a hassle but if you could get 5 years out of it, not bad.

Most definitely, if you have a little swagger you can pull off the dome a lot easier than the insecure runt can lol I'm shaved now that im post fue and I did it ages ago and I look horrid but since I did this, I've gotten compliments, another 40 pounds of muscle on my frame helped a lot lol but I still feel off without hair so for me the transplant was a no brainer, had to do it.
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Well we'll agree to disagree on Cole and Baubac. I don't want to get into all the specifics of what I know but when I say Cole isn't on par with those guys it's with reason, there are docs that are at the level you believe him to be at, you'd be well served to go those other directions but ultimately that is everybodys own choice. I got no real complaints about Baubac, i just disagreed about him being the best hairline doc, I got a few ahead of him but he delivers results.

Umar is definitely the bht doctor to go with if you need to max grafts, nobody gets the number he does, most don't like to go outside the beard, chest is a stretch for many these days let alone where Dr Umar is willing to go. How many grafts are you trying to get? and how big a region are you hoping to fill? Your best bet may come out of country. Dr Oztan has gotten some good feedback in Turkey, have you looked abroad or are you set on staying home?
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You seem to be very knowledgeable in this. Would you mind listing who In your opinion is the best? Also what one could expect to pay for 2000 graphs FUE.

In the US and elsewhere.

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Well we'll agree to disagree on Cole and Baubac. I don't want to get into all the specifics of what I know but when I say Cole isn't on par with those guys it's with reason, there are docs that are at the level you believe him to be at, you'd be well served to go those other directions but ultimately that is everybodys own choice. I got no real complaints about Baubac, i just disagreed about him being the best hairline doc, I got a few ahead of him but he delivers results.

Umar is definitely the bht doctor to go with if you need to max grafts, nobody gets the number he does, most don't like to go outside the beard, chest is a stretch for many these days let alone where Dr Umar is willing to go. How many grafts are you trying to get? and how big a region are you hoping to fill? Your best bet may come out of country. Dr Oztan has gotten some good feedback in Turkey, have you looked abroad or are you set on staying home?
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I had assumed you meant overall. Off the top of my head, Konoir, Diep and Ron Shapiro are the top dogs in the country. Right behind them are True, Dorin, Wesley, Cooley, Bernstein, Gabel, Kabaker, Wolf, Mohebi, Vories, Keene and you could make arguments for Josephitis but his body of work is less as he's newer to the game, and I didn't include Alexander who is very good but I think he'd do better to lose artas and I didn't include Arocha for the same reason but results wise they deliver consistently better results than Cole. Cole unfortuantely has burned a lot of patients thru the years, he's left a lot of revision work out there, there's a few famous cases but there's a reason he doesn't show up as approved on any of the hair forums. That's just the US, knocking on the door are Hasson and Wong and Rahal. Hasson and Wong for fut are in the top 5 and Rahal can deliver in the Diep Shapiro range. Konior is the man and does a majority of the surgery himself, really him and Vories are the only ones who can make that claim. With the options available there is no reason to see Cole.
None of the guys above do bht that's the issue if you need it.
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You seem to be very knowledgeable in this. Would you mind listing who In your opinion is the best? Also what one could expect to pay for 2000 graphs FUE.

In the US and elsewhere.

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2000 grafts addressing what? hairline, crown, midscalp? the answer changes my answer a little bit but if you clarify I'd be happy to give you my thoughts.
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It has a lot to do with attitude, self confidence and personality too. For instance if Dwayne Johnson was 5'4 155 lbs and an average joe I don't think it would look as good. So to a certain extent a big bodybuilder can get away with it IMO. When I shaved my head 10 years ago or so, I looked much meaner and like somebody you wouldn't mess with. Once in a while I will encounter a short scrawny bald dude and I wonder where the fk does that guy get the balls to talk like that?lol
Imagine a bald Joe Pesci. Funny thing is they get women too. They have no baldy complex at all but good for them.
They're also loaded with cash, too. The rock pulls it off just fine, but he's got a thick neck and an aesthetically leasing head shape. The only way you get away with a bald head is if you're a bigger dude with muscles.

Take Jason Statham for example, I think it's perceived that he pulls his clearly thinned out head of hair off, but do you really think the girls would be going goo goo gaa gaa for a slim dude like Jason if he wasn't rich and famous? I think not to be honest.
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They're also loaded with cash, too. The rock pulls it off just fine, but he's got a thick neck and an aesthetically leasing head shape. The only way you get away with a bald head is if you're a bigger dude with muscles.

Take Jason Statham for example, I think it's perceived that he pulls his clearly thinned out head of hair off, but do you really think the girls would be going goo goo gaa gaa for a slim dude like Jason if he wasn't rich and famous? I think not to be honest.
I actually do think Statham would pull regardless. He's got the attitude to pull off the shaved head and he's a traditionally good looking guy. While he's not huge he's in very good shape as well. He maximizes what he has.
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2000 grafts addressing what? hairline, crown, midscalp? the answer changes my answer a little bit but if you clarify I'd be happy to give you my thoughts.
Primarily hair line. Some crowning but the only bald spots I have are in front where I'm receding.

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What do you feel they may be doing incorrectly with prp?

Yup that was what I read as well, Mexico will see it in 2018 and just under a grand a pop, which isn't bad if effective. I saw that it was a significant improvement between 12 weeks and 1 year so it makes sense to space it out. I didn't read about the life span anywhere that I can recall but every 2 years would be a hassle but if you could get 5 years out of it, not bad.

Most definitely, if you have a little swagger you can pull off the dome a lot easier than the insecure runt can lol I'm shaved now that im post fue and I did it ages ago and I look horrid but since I did this, I've gotten compliments, another 40 pounds of muscle on my frame helped a lot lol but I still feel off without hair so for me the transplant was a no brainer, had to do it.

No what I meant is that I think many people selling PRP don't necessarily know the proper procedure/methodlogy for hair and are just providing the service for money. Some sites I see are just "beauty salons" offering the service. Anyways without some guarantee even if it regrow 10 hairs is fine. But spending $1000 and they can't back their service? No thx.

I also started derma rolling, some study based in India showed decent results. I reckon what the heck for $10 why not?

You mentioned SD was good on you hair, what other AAS did you find safe or safer and which ones were no goes? I think you said Tren and DHT derivatives like winy and masterone seem unanimous as in no goes.
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Primarily hair line. Some crowning but the only bald spots I have are in front where I'm receding.
There are a few great surgeons for overall hair loss but if you want hairline specialists, I would focus on these guys in the US personally.

Diep, 7 us per graft so at 2000 = 14k
Wesley, I can't remember his prices off hand but I'd guess in the 7-10 range per graft. NY based it's always going to be a little more.

Diep is the probably the most aggressive hairline doc in the us, really works well with younger guys but if you want a more natural look that still brings out your best Wesley is awesome too. Dr Shapiro and Dr Konior also both do outstanding work in every aspect so you never lose going to either of those guys but for hairline specifically I would personally go with the 2 I said.

In Canada

Dr Rahal is I believe 8 per graft for the first 2k then 6 per graft after + tax. Canadian dollars tho so there is a discount for the American using canadian currency and he does have a 1k travel allowance.

Rahal is like Diep, both are hairline gods and agressive. Rahals team is proficient in fue but their expertise is in fut. If I had to stay North America I would lean Diep just as hes more fue oriented.

In Europe

the upside to Europe is the sheer number of fue surgeries they do, in the us it's more like 75 percent fut and 25 % fue for docs who do both and very few do both well. In Europe it's more like 85% fue 15% fut. They are the leaders in fue and they teach the americans how to do it, literally the conferences are run by these guys. And it's usually a bit cheaper even after factoring in travel.

Dr Feriduni - 5 euro per the 1st k then 4 euro after I believe so 9k euro for 2k
Based in Brussels, also charges VAT @21%

Dr Bisanga - 5 euro per the 1st k, then 3 euro after. so 8 k euro for 2k and if you get a drs note he'll waive the vat. This was my doctor, also in Brussels

Dr Erdogan - 2,5 euro I believe across the board. Based in Turkey


Dr F and Dr B, if you ask other doctors who they would want to design their hairline and do their hair surgeries these are the names that get brought up. I asked every doc I consulted with and they are brought up 80% of the time. I would ask a doc in the us and he'd tell me go he'd go to Dr B lol They are the best of the best in fue circles period. Dr Erdogan right up there with any of the hairline guys, very talented doc and gets some of the craziest densities around but he does it by using more grafts than anybody else. If you're 2k with every other doc, you'll be min 2500 with Erdogan and likely closer to 3k. So if you don't have a lot of loss and don't see your hair loss progressing and can afford the grafts then Dr E is a great way to get as close to your normal hair as possible but if you see progression coming down the line, he can lead to some graft wastage and you need to preserve grafts. He makes all the other agressive docs look timid lol

Those would be my recommendations

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Thanks Anubis. That's exactly what i needed. I don't mind travel in fact i prefer it. I keep my hair very short so be real with me here...

Can you tell the difference up close between the implants and your regular hair? I have thick course/curly hair( or did but i shave it with a #2 now) .
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Thanks Anubis. That's exactly what i needed. I don't mind travel in fact i prefer it. I keep my hair very short so be real with me here...

Can you tell the difference up close between the implants and your regular hair? I have thick course/curly hair( or did but i shave it with a #2 now) .
No problem Being straight up you won't be able to shave it down to the skin in the donor area but you can get it down to a 1 or 2 guard and not see any scarring in the donor. Thick course curly hair is actually really good for transplant coverage, as you can get by with less grafts and look more dense but it is a little tougher for the transplanters to work with. That's their headache tho in the end it'll look great for you. And NO you will not be able to tell the implants from your native hair. Once grown in it'll be the same hair. The old days of that doll hair look are gone, these top guys have it refined to the point nobody can tell, not even another transplant doc. It will be less dense than your native hair so if you want to wear it short tell the docs to ultra dense pack it to match it closer to your native hair it might mean another 500 grafts... some guys can't get away with that given how much loss they have because they need the grafts elsewhere but yours sounds minor. I had minor hair loss in the hairline like you do so for us it's not a problem. I ultra dense packed mine and I just had my shafts drop and it looks the exact same as the rest of my scalp now. Immediately post op obivously it'll be noticeable and while it grows out it will look less filled in than the rest of the hair but once grown in, nobody will tell.
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No what I meant is that I think many people selling PRP don't necessarily know the proper procedure/methodlogy for hair and are just providing the service for money. Some sites I see are just "beauty salons" offering the service. Anyways without some guarantee even if it regrow 10 hairs is fine. But spending $1000 and they can't back their service? No thx.

I also started derma rolling, some study based in India showed decent results. I reckon what the heck for $10 why not?

You mentioned SD was good on you hair, what other AAS did you find safe or safer and which ones were no goes? I think you said Tren and DHT derivatives like winy and masterone seem unanimous as in no goes.
I hadn't seen that, yeah I would never get prp or any cosmetic service other a style or a wax at a beauty salon but Im not trusting them to inject or operate lol. That's asking for trouble. I've only ever seen docs doing it and I just haven't seen enough from it to think it worth the regular expense. I don't know if the docs offer any guarantee or not.

I've never derma rolled, thought about it but never got around to it but I hear it can lead to better minox uptake so might be worth the get. What size one did you get?

As far as safe aas go, test, sd, anavar, tbol and deca was when I wasn't on fin but the 2 don't mix unfortunately so I have stopped deca too but those are on my approved list at the moment the rest is off limits. Tren any of the dht derivatives primo winny mast proviron halo all wreak havoc, dbol and drol were bad. gh is fine.
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As far as safe aas go, test, sd, anavar, tbol and deca was when I wasn't on fin but the 2 don't mix unfortunately so I have stopped deca too but those are on my approved list at the moment the rest is off limits. Tren any of the dht derivatives primo winny mast proviron halo all wreak havoc, dbol and drol were bad. gh is fine.
Good to know.
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Does the donor hair have to come from the back of your head, or can they pull hair from all over your body?
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Does the donor hair have to come from the back of your head, or can they pull hair from all over your body?
You can use body hair but only certain doctors will do it and it is better suited for certain part of the scalp. It is fine as filler for in the crown but it doesn't necessarily grow out to the same length as normal scalp hair so if you plan on keeping it short it can work. If you want to grow it long it'll look, well, like body hair lol. It also doesn't really work in the front hairline, again as filler in the midscalp or deeper behind the hairline it can be placed somewhat. It has it's limitations but you can definitely use it to fill in spots and leave scalp hair for more important areas. Beard and Chest hair are the primary donor spots.
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I hadn't seen that, yeah I would never get prp or any cosmetic service other a style or a wax at a beauty salon but Im not trusting them to inject or operate lol. That's asking for trouble. I've only ever seen docs doing it and I just haven't seen enough from it to think it worth the regular expense. I don't know if the docs offer any guarantee or not.

I've never derma rolled, thought about it but never got around to it but I hear it can lead to better minox uptake so might be worth the get. What size one did you get?

As far as safe aas go, test, sd, anavar, tbol and deca was when I wasn't on fin but the 2 don't mix unfortunately so I have stopped deca too but those are on my approved list at the moment the rest is off limits. Tren any of the dht derivatives primo winny mast proviron halo all wreak havoc, dbol and drol were bad. gh is fine.
Yup, Im pretty much the same to the dot as far as AAS is concerned. Which I reckon isn't bad. I mean Im not a competitor I just want to look a lot better shape then he avg gym goes. The choice sucks for mass but I tried SD and it wasn't bad at all. I put on decent weight. So maybe some high test, SD with the GH and dutas/Niz. I might use tren ace on a short cutter for 3 weeks but I think I can't handle tren anymore. Go figure did test/deca WITH finas for a decade with no issues as well as test and tren and now can't even handle half that amount.
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Also, the only way I think pulling off the bald head works is if you like like Kevin here in this vid, or that porn star who does all the brazzers flicks because he's in shape. What say the crowd?






And the brazzer dude, Johnny Sins:

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Does the donor hair have to come from the back of your head, or can they pull hair from all over your body?
Don't transplant your pubes if you have straight hair it might look weird.

I wouldn't mind actually its like hitting two birds with one stone. I can just imagine the nurse's reaction.

BTW you can see Rich Piana's FUE scar. To be honest only if you know anything about FUE can you tell if not it doesn't stand out so obviously. I doubt many people ask him about it. Any guesses as to how many grafts he had done, Im guessing around 3000?
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