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Old 10-23-2017, 01:54 AM
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My doc prescribes 200mg a week of test for almost 10 years now. Keeps me ďgoodĒ. I usually blast in spring and summer and then go back to my steady 200. While Iím recovering from surgery now ( no training, not eating much) I wanted to experiment with a lower dose at 100/week for a few weeks and then completely drop it and use just HCG for about 6 weeks then go back to trt at 100/week and see what my bloodwork shows.

Why? Kinda just reset receptors maybe, cleanout maybe, have my nuts comeback maybe lol. In my mind itís a good idea just as sort of a rest. I donít think I can ever be natty again but can anyone tell me if my reasoning for doing this is sound. Giving myself a break so to speak and see what happens.
Unless your coming off for years and not months then i dont see any reason not to continue on trt dose and then blast like your doing. By time your system recovers you are shutting it down again. And think about this. When i came off for two years (if you read my post above). I lost 25lbs. So ok i cleaned out my receptors. Woop de doo. Guess what when i started back up I gained the 25lbs back and didnt surpass my highest weight for a while. It was two years later from cruising and blasting along with changing up diets that i put on another 15 solid pounds.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:52 AM
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I came off abruptly after 13 years. I never felt bad other than not much sex drive, it was still there but more so only when instigated. I went in for blood work after 2 years and my levels were low and I got scripted, looking back I didn't need it I just wanted a legal source because I was on probation. Now I kind of wish I never would have done it
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:32 AM
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Agreed. Read those studies your talking about. HCG is really crap if you use it wrong. People take way too high dosages and too often and dont realize they are screwing themselves up worse.
HCG is by far the best substance to prevent testicular dysfunction. It's rediculous comments like yours the dissuade people from using HCG.

Out of the thousands of men who have used 4500-5000 iu HCG a week and not even a case report of people "screwing themselves up".
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:55 AM
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My routine, which I know many here vehemently disagree with, is a hard cycle in the summer usually may to august and off the rest of the year. It is true that by the time I am fully recovered I'm pretty much about to get back on cycle but I'm just not ready to commit to a lifetime of replacement therapy at 33. It won't be too many years more when I do though, my main issue with it was always fertility but the more I talk to people who use AAS I am starting to realize that is not really a huge factor.


So pretty much the take from that is that yes I do always recover fully, it just takes a few months. Right now I'm about a week off and my only problem is sex drive everything else is fine, I think all the other non AAS stuff I use is helping me keep my gains although I have put on some fat simply because I can't be as lenient with my diet as I was while on but nothing excessive, just my love handles which have always always been my problem. But every time after a few months I'm back to being a horny fuck so I also believe it's simply a matter of time, I think it's very rare cases with extreme circumstances where someone is permanently shut down.
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:17 PM
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Correction, Iím about a month off not a week...
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Hi everybody, I have some good news.

I ended up staying on TRT for a little longer than I had planned. I had an appt with a urologist who specializes in male hypogonadism and planned my last shot accordingly. Exactly one month after my last shot, I had my appointment. The first thing the doctor noted was the fact my nuts had not shrunk and that they were completely normal size. I told him that's silly as they certainly have shrunk, but my girlfriend also insisted they were getting bigger. I also felt like they were becoming noticeably "there" day to day SO. I had my labs drawn.

LH-5.6
FSH-4.1
Prolactin-6.8
SHBG-28

Still waiting on the results of my total testosterone. Doc said he doesn't bother with free test in the initial phase. I'm honestly shocked by the results of this test. Doc waited to prescribe clomid until the blood was in the vial. My clomid will be mailed to me on tuesday. I imagine my levels will be even higher after I begin.

What I'm feeling right now-extreme fatigue, mental fog, decreased libido. The mental fog had my reaching for the dental floss instead of the toothpaste, thinking VERY hard about putting my car into reverse/drive, and staring into space at very inappropriate times. Fatigue was at an all time low yesterday between noon time and four oclock. The weights in the gym are heavier despite my numbers only suffering maybe 5-10%. Slight moodiness/emotions. training in MMA I've noticed I seem to take the punches a little more personally. 0.3 seconds later I realize I'm being a little bitch because my T is low.

Libido could be worse. I've had zero issues having sex with my girlfriend or jerkin it. I just don't drool over a nice ass the way I always have. Feels weird not being as horny as I was before using steroids and during steroid use but overall, I'm still running.

I want to reiterate my stats
27 years old, 215 lbs this morning, ~20% bf these days (yes I'm fat now). After going back in time and trying to pinpoint the exact date of my nonstop usage, I was on for 6 years straight.
In those 6 years I spent around 24 total months (2 years) on tren, ~30 weeks on nandrolone, ~20 weeks using "trest" when it was available via research companies, ~14 months total using orals. My blasts were never super high dosages, never exceeded 1200mg total injectables. My favorite blast was 800 test cyp 400 tren enth. I did this many, many times. My cruise usually consisted of either 100 test cyp/25 tren enth (1/8cc) or 200 test cyp. Cruises involving 25mg tren were most common. Depending on the gains made I might have done tren up to 50mgs a week during a cruise. Tren was excluded entirely during the winter months.

It's been two years since I've used any steroid other than testosterone. This may have to do with my speedy recovery, paired with my age. I will be back once my testosterone labs are posted.

The real reason I quit? Two things. I want to compete in MMA. I think steroids have their place in bodybuilding but not in MMA. At my current weight I'd be fighting Goliaths like Hong man Choi. I also got tired of sticking myself and relying on the needle to feel normal at 27 years old. Once I'm ~40 I'll certainly get on trt. For now, I'm satisfied with my normal self.
I posted this in the TRT forum, figured everybody here would like to see some objective findings regarding this issue
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:40 AM
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Moments after I posted this, my testosterone results came in.

total test-594

I'm blown away by this, it's been 5 weeks and 3 days since my last shot and I haven't taken a thing
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:30 AM
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Moments after I posted this, my testosterone results came in.

total test-594

I'm blown away by this, it's been 5 weeks and 3 days since my last shot and I haven't taken a thing
Were you using HCG anytime during the years you blasted or during the 2 years of TRT?
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:52 AM
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Were you using HCG anytime during the years you blasted or during the 2 years of TRT?
Never once used hcg during my 6 year b/c/trt.
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Iím over 40. Been using off and on over 20 years. Stopped for fertility issues and we did have a kid. What I remember about being off, VERY sore from the smallest of workouts. Very tired all the time. Needed about 10 hours of sleep a night. Work sucked, low energy and just not engaged. Had to take cialis and even then, it was a chore (low sex drive). The therapist we were seeing said we could have bubble baths and it wasnít just about sex when I brought it up. What I heard is ďyouíre now a lesbian.Ē Back on. TRT most of the time with a small amount of deca. Blast only once or twice a year. Lifeís not perfect but at least I can get up in the morning. For me, itís a quality of life issue. I could just play dad, like the guys mentioned before and stop lifting and stop taking stuff. But thatís not what I want. Itís not how Iím built. I will not go gently into the night. Old guys I know are like that. They seem happy. Itís just not for me.
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:16 AM
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My natural T level was about 500 at age 48, when I went on TRT. Many told me I was stupid for doing so, but I feel so much better overall. I have been running now for about 16 months and sometimes think I'd like to come off and see where I return to, but then I think, "what for" my sweet place is staying around 900-1200.

Why come off and start losing lean muscle mass you worked so hard for? Or a return to drug free erections I'm having now? It took a year to dial everything in just right as it is. I'd be an idiot to come off. I add in GH and I'm looking pretty solid. Just have to work on getting a bit of bloat down from the GH and I'll look and feel as good as ever.

Unless you'all have some underlying medical condition, I don't know why anyone would come off TRT.
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:25 AM
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I donít want to start a debate over trt obviously it works especially 40 yrs+. The thread is in regards to whether you can or cannot get off after years. Iím around 600 total test less than 6 weeks from my last shot. The answer to this thread is a definite YES. You CAN recover from years of aas.
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:19 AM
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I donít want to start a debate over trt obviously it works especially 40 yrs+. The thread is in regards to whether you can or cannot get off after years. Iím around 600 total test less than 6 weeks from my last shot. The answer to this thread is a definite YES. You CAN recover from years of aas.
I agree, but if you're shut down be it from TRT or massive AAS use, the body has to start back up the same.

I feel like I would go back to where I was pre TRT at 500-ish, not bad for my age.... Just a gut feeling I have. But I feel better staying around 900-1200 or so.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:03 AM
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I donít want to start a debate over trt obviously it works especially 40 yrs+. The thread is in regards to whether you can or cannot get off after years. Iím around 600 total test less than 6 weeks from my last shot. The answer to this thread is a definite YES. You CAN recover from years of aas.
You are one of the lucky ones. I don't know what the chances are to have your result, but I was just the opposite. It probably comes down to a bit of genetics, how long you were on, your doses, and what you took. Glad to hear you are ok. Stay natural now.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:41 AM
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You are one of the lucky ones. I don't know what the chances are to have your result, but I was just the opposite. It probably comes down to a bit of genetics, how long you were on, your doses, and what you took. Glad to hear you are ok. Stay natural now.
Thank you, I definitely will. I consider myself lucky. I expected to wait months to feel normal.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:43 AM
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Anything is possible with the right genes.

I was on for over 30 weeks, came off, and 12 weeks later I was over 600ng/DL. That's with zero PCT.

I know a guy who was on for like 10-12 weeks and came off, did a PCT, and now he can barely get a hard on at a strip club.
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To truly figure out if you recover you need to be off for years, you can't say that you have been off for 5 months and since your numbers aren't up that you can't recover.

Say after year 1 your test is 200
Say after year 2 your test is 300

Are you not still in the process of recovery?.....can be a very long road for some.

If your aged 40+, why bother?
If your in your 20's I think that you have a better than 50% chance of getting it back.

I think that most people totally screw up pct. They don't property account for the full half lives of the drugs in their system. Once everything is FULLY cleared out of your system it is time for pct (this will be many months if you have been on for years). The way around this is to always run short esters for a few months right before you get off. Then wait a few weeks for them to clear then use the pct to send the signal.
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:12 PM
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Never once used hcg during my 6 year b/c/trt.
OK. And, now that your test level is 594. Considering you been off only for 5 weeks now, are you/anybody sure it's not going to come down in the upcoming months? Or are you going to start any PCT from this point which may increase your levels further?
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Thank you, I definitely will. I consider myself lucky. I expected to wait months to feel normal.
I tried waiting about 11 months with an endo I picked out. She really believed that mine would come back but it never did. My total test was usually around 35 or so and my LH level would come back "below measurable levels" sometimes.
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