Pro Pharm gets sentenced

[haze324]

Guys, its not impossible --- do a search on here for guys here that have been busted over the past few years. Maverick and MikeS come to mind.

How they got busted - their partner got caught and ratted them out. Maverick by BBA. Mav, posted here a few months back as he was being sentenced and wrote in some detail how it went down.

[Ruhlfreak55]

This is why i probably will never sell shit....I feel like that multiplies the danger 20fold...no matter how little it is that your selling

[stevo78]

Originally Posted by MrCyp

You had a chart up before you edited your post Thats what I was curious about.

Yeah that was the sentencing table. When I copied and paste it, it didnt come out the correct way. I will try it again.

[Diesel495]

you know the fact that he didn't? then u r too naive thinking that he's gonna tell u he owes people...many bros on outlaw discussed about this in 07' that they are being owed as early as may and june, 3 month later, still nothing, he could of send shits out b4 he got busted, BUT HE DIDNT!!! don't tell me 3 months is a reasonable t/a for a dom guy

Originally Posted by massive attack

So your telling me he owed alot of people at the time he was busted? I know for a fact he didn't. You may have had an order with him at the time when he got busted, but I know he didn't owe a bunch of people.

[mojo jojo]

Originally Posted by stevo78

Here is the feds definition of a unit:
(G) In the case of anabolic steroids, one "unit" means a 10 cc vial of an injectable steroid or fifty tablets. All vials of injectable steroids are to be converted on the basis of their volume to the equivalent number of 10 cc vials (e.g., one 50 cc vial is to be counted as five 10 cc vials).

These are the old "unit" measurements. They made much more sense then the new ones. Here are the new ones:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission has published notice of temporary "emergency" (i.e., immediate) amendments to the federal anabolic steroid sentencing guidelines. Henceforth, injectable and oral steroids will be quantified for punishment in a 1:1 ratio to other Schedule III drugs, resulting in a twenty-fold measurement increase for injectable steroid units and a fifty-fold increase for oral steroid units. One "unit" of an oral steroid is now one pill, tablet or capsule. One "unit of a liquid steroid is now 0.5ml. Steroids in other forms ("e.g., patch, topical cream, aerosol") will be reasonably estimated based on a consideration of 25mg as one unit.


You can see this information and more at Steroid Law - News Headlines

[stevo78]

Originally Posted by mojo jojo

These are the old "unit" measurements. They made much more sense then the new ones. Here are the new ones:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission has published notice of temporary "emergency" (i.e., immediate) amendments to the federal anabolic steroid sentencing guidelines. Henceforth, injectable and oral steroids will be quantified for punishment in a 1:1 ratio to other Schedule III drugs, resulting in a twenty-fold measurement increase for injectable steroid units and a fifty-fold increase for oral steroid units. One "unit" of an oral steroid is now one pill, tablet or capsule. One "unit of a liquid steroid is now 0.5ml. Steroids in other forms ("e.g., patch, topical cream, aerosol") will be reasonably estimated based on a consideration of 25mg as one unit.


You can see this information and more at Steroid Law - News Headlines

Thanks for the correction. Anyone who lives in the US should be aware of the penaltys for such actions.

[tsimehc75]

right so if you get caught or in a conspiracy for powders each gram of powder is considered to be 40 units so 1 kg of say test e powder is 40,000 units..actually the guidelines really dont matter until recently because you cant get over the statutory max of what the charge carries..sales of steroids until recently was 5 years no matter how many units you had..

thats why all the people popped in operation raw deal got less than 5 years..and some were caught up in conspiracies with millions of units

[MrCyp]

Originally Posted by mojo jojo

These are the old "unit" measurements. They made much more sense then the new ones. Here are the new ones:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission has published notice of temporary "emergency" (i.e., immediate) amendments to the federal anabolic steroid sentencing guidelines. Henceforth, injectable and oral steroids will be quantified for punishment in a 1:1 ratio to other Schedule III drugs, resulting in a twenty-fold measurement increase for injectable steroid units and a fifty-fold increase for oral steroid units. One "unit" of an oral steroid is now one pill, tablet or capsule. One "unit of a liquid steroid is now 0.5ml. Steroids in other forms ("e.g., patch, topical cream, aerosol") will be reasonably estimated based on a consideration of 25mg as one unit.


You can see this information and more at Steroid Law - News Headlines

FUCK thats what I thought. That is nuts. Hopefully lawyers can point out the old guidlines and who how ridiculous the new ones are when people are charged. Remember, its the Lawyers who run the the show, not the laws.

[tsimehc75]

as of april 2008 the max sentence is 10 years in prison now for all stewroid conspiracies..15 if there was bodily harm involves in the case..

its so easy for the feds to get @ sources these days..they bust a guy,get him to give up his email and the feds make orders from the source and simply track them down..raw deal was simple for the feds..the majority of the sources ratted on each other and received 5k1 letters from the US attorney and the judge will give them up to a 5 point reduction in there sentence..plus if the source agrees to continue to cooperate they will receive a rule 35 and get additional time off or simply probation..so knowing what your facing is the way to go and be prepared to do your time and keep your fat mouth shut!!! the US attorney WILL SCARE THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE WITH LENGTH SENTENCES!!! but if you know the guidelines you will know what you are facing

[whatsupfister]

Originally Posted by massive attack

I guess you know the whole story. Dang your good. Actually you are so far from the truth. Also, so basically you are calling all the sources who post on here "retards" Hmmm. And your calling your source, oh wait a minute I'm sure you don't use roids nor purchase from any source on the board. You don't have to answer that, I know what the answer is.

Bro his criminal background had nothing to do with his sentence. The crimes he was convicted of and the ones his Lawyer worked out with the DA are the reasons he is doing time like that. Lets see, using the postal service to send illegal goods Federal Felony, Selling/Trafficking drugs across state lines Federal Felony, possession of a schedule 3 drug without a valid prescription Felony, Distribution of a schedule 3 drug Felony, Tax evasion Felony, Money Laundering Felony….I can do this all day if you want me to. Bottom line people think their shit doesn’t stink and they can do whatever they want and no one is going to stop them. I feel bad that he is in jail and his life is basically fucked. However, I really wish sources (not all) would be more responsible in the way they handled their business. When they keep their ass clean, the end user stays safe, no one goes to jail, and a bunch of non violent working class people are good to go about their daily lives. Here’s a tip for your boy, don’t shit where you sleep. If you’re pushing weight on the streets, you don’t make your stash house your actual house you live in. You also don’t make the drugs their either. DUH!!! Oh and maybe this fucked him over a tad as well: Base Price: Lamborghini Gallardo- $201,000, Base Price: Ferrari F430 Spider- $217,000. If he thought he could manufacture drugs, and take orders from his house, than use the local mail station to push his product, and drive cars like that with no one taking a 2nd look at him, he is not to intelligent. I wish him the best of luck, but in reality no one needs to go to jail, a lot of us are intelligent people, we can handle our business.

[wasp]

Originally Posted by brother_iron

the gov doesn't care about AAS at all for the most part. Right now I am training some guys for the DEA, none give two craps about AAS. The only reason why they go after AAS is budget cuts, they use the AAS budget on other things like the current bloody border contracts. When those budget cut meetings come along they have to make a few large busts to keep that budget still there so they have money for things that really matter.

this right here is how it all works, right down to traffic tickets

[massive attack]

Originally Posted by whatsupfister

Bro his criminal background had nothing to do with his sentence. The crimes he was convicted of and the ones his Lawyer worked out with the DA are the reasons he is doing time like that. Lets see, using the postal service to send illegal goods Federal Felony, Selling/Trafficking drugs across state lines Federal Felony, possession of a schedule 3 drug without a valid prescription Felony, Distribution of a schedule 3 drug Felony, Tax evasion Felony, Money Laundering Felony….I can do this all day if you want me to. Bottom line people think their shit doesn’t stink and they can do whatever they want and no one is going to stop them. I feel bad that he is in jail and his life is basically fucked. However, I really wish sources (not all) would be more responsible in the way they handled their business. When they keep their ass clean, the end user stays safe, no one goes to jail, and a bunch of non violent working class people are good to go about their daily lives. Here’s a tip for your boy, don’t shit where you sleep. If you’re pushing weight on the streets, you don’t make your stash house your actual house you live in. You also don’t make the drugs their either. DUH!!! Oh and maybe this fucked him over a tad as well: Base Price: Lamborghini Gallardo- $201,000, Base Price: Ferrari F430 Spider- $217,000. If he thought he could manufacture drugs, and take orders from his house, than use the local mail station to push his product, and drive cars like that with no one taking a 2nd look at him, he is not to intelligent. I wish him the best of luck, but in reality no one needs to go to jail, a lot of us are intelligent people, we can handle our business.

He paid $160k for the 2004 lambo and traded that in for the 2005 Ferrari which cost him $294k...it was the #2 Ferrari F430 spyder. The actual car is on the cover of May 2005 Dupont registry. He never drove those cars to the post office. He rented an older house on a dead end street which is where the lab was. He never had anything in any of his owned houses. Never. The feds seized nothing from the homes. All at the lab. Yes his criminal background did hurt him in the sentencing because as a Level 4 criminal background and a level 23 charge(s) his guideline was 70-87 months. If his criminal background was lower say a 1 with a level 20 charge which is what his wifes was he would have been only looking at 27-36 months (I think is what the numbers were). The Judge sd she gave him half off so if he had a lower criminal background and the judge gave him half off he would only be looking at 12-15 months.

I know the Feds had video cameras on the telephone poles out in front of both his homes, his ex's house, and the lab. They also placed hidden cameras at all the locations where he was receiving mail and the post offices where he and she were sending orders out. They really spent time on him...like 8 months of following. Also, if you have an expensive cell phone and you are being watched, the feds ping your phone to see what area you are in. They did this almost on a daily basis to see where he was. Whether he was in kansas city or columbia or up in iowa visiting his girl.

I read the report...it was amazing the time they spent on him. Be careful guys.

[tsimehc75]

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The feds seized nothing from the homes. All at the lab. Yes his criminal background did hurt him in the sentencing because as a Level 4 criminal background and a level 23 charge(s) his guideline was 70-87 months. If his criminal background was lower say a 20 which is what his wifes was he would have been only looking at 27-36 months (I think is what the numbers were). The Judge sd she gave him half off so if he had a lower criminal background and the judge gave him half off he would only be looking at 12-15 months.



exactly,criminal history has everything to do with sentencing in the fed..if you have ever had a sales charge of drugs its a 2 pt increease and some misdemeanors can also be used and add 1 pt to the sentencing guidlines..

he was sentenced @ a catagory 4 level 23 so he pretty much got the appropriate sentence within the guideline..sounds like from the sentence that he kept his mouth shut also , so that has to be respected!!

so talk of any orders he owed are now charged to the game..

now he must of had several enhancements also..

mass marketing steroids online is a 2 pt enhancement and he must of had others bcos just taking responsibility for the crime is a 2-3 pt reduction,so how he scored out @ a 23 is kinda weird.that means he must of been @ a 25or 26 before the reduction unless he did not except responsibility

[massive attack]

yes he was at 25 and did get a lower reduction for taking responsibility. Also I want to note that he gave a very heart felt speech about his ex's involvement which I think and so does his lawyer helped in her only getting 6 months. He told the Judge that the whole operation was his idea from the beginning and although she is an adult and can make her own decisions, that he manipulated her into working for him. He had left her and was getting a divorce and she had nothing. He used money and the power he had over her to manipulate her.
Put yourself in her shoes. She has been living a lifestyle that she got accustomed to. He decides to leave her and she is faced with having nothing at all. He comes to her and says, you work for me and I'll pay you $6000 per month to work in the lab, plus pay your house payment $2100 per month and car payment. Now what person or female would really have a hard time saying no especially when your faced with having nothing?
Anyway the Judge really appreciated his speech and his lawyer said it saved her from getting atleast a year to 15 months.

I think he was a stand up guy to the end.

[tsimehc75]

Originally Posted by massive attack

yes he was at 25 and did get a lower reduction for taking responsibility. Also I want to note that he gave a very heart felt speech about his ex's involvement which I think and so does his lawyer helped in her only getting 6 months. He told the Judge that the whole operation was his idea from the beginning and although she is an adult and can make her own decisions, that he manipulated her into working for him. He had left her and was getting a divorce and she had nothing. He used money and the power he had over her to manipulate her.
Put yourself in her shoes. She has been living a lifestyle that she got accustomed to. He decides to leave her and she is faced with having nothing at all. He comes to her and says, you work for me and I'll pay you $6000 per month to work in the lab, plus pay your house payment $2100 per month and car payment. Now what person or female would really have a hard time saying no especially when your faced with having nothing?
Anyway the Judge really appreciated his speech and his lawyer said it saved her from getting atleast a year to 15 months.

I think he was a stand up guy to the end.

yeah sounds like it to me too,i know dozens of sources who went down in op raw deal and the majority of them worked with the feds to save there own ass of just a few months extra in prison..thats the thing about now,people do dirt but dont want to do the time..most of the people who were sent to prison for raw deal are out now and doing whatever,for those who got back in the game,the judge is going to be seriously upset if they step foot back in his court on more anabolic charges ..a source knows its easy to set up shop again,and knowing greed, it leads to grandiose and superoptimistic ideas that they can do it diffrent this time lol..

[Oldlifter]

Originally Posted by massive attack

Also I want to note that he gave a very heart felt speech about his ex's involvement which I think and so does his lawyer helped in her only getting 6 months. He told the Judge that the whole operation was his idea from the beginning and although she is an adult and can make her own decisions, that he manipulated her into working for him. He had left her and was getting a divorce and she had nothing. He used money and the power he had over her to manipulate her.
Put yourself in her shoes. She has been living a lifestyle that she got accustomed to. He decides to leave her and she is faced with having nothing at all. He comes to her and says, you work for me and I'll pay you $6000 per month to work in the lab, plus pay your house payment $2100 per month and car payment. Now what person or female would really have a hard time saying no especially when your faced with having nothing?
Anyway the Judge really appreciated his speech and his lawyer said it saved her from getting atleast a year to 15 months.

I think he was a stand up guy to the end.

It a shame that he had to make a speech like that. With them invading his and her privacy with all the hidden cameras, tapping the cell phone via gps, etc, you know "they" already knew what her level of involvement was. Why make the guy have to spill his guts in court? Just shows how low "they" are. Wasn't spying on them enough?

I wonder how the people involved in putting this couple away, feel about themselves, knowing that they themselves or their co-hearts take steroids? I personally couldn't sleep at knight knowing that I had ruined peoples lives over hormones when either I myself or my organization that I work for for does the same thing. *LOL* Must be some real troopers in LE and the authority of our society.

We have a UC at our gym who does shows. It's sad that their are people who will stoop to this level just for money. He thinks that he's one of us, *LOL*. We've got his number tho. *LOL*. BE safe bro's. If ya don't know em personally, you are playing with fire. they are good for nothing people! To bad they don't concentrate on the "real" criminals.





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[tsimehc75]

Originally Posted by Oldlifter

It a shame that he had to make a speech like that. With them invading his and her privacy with all the hidden cameras, tapping the cell phone via gps, etc, you know "they" already knew what her level of involvement was. Why make the guy have to spill his guts in court? Just shows how low "they" are. Wasn't spying on them enough?

I wonder how the people involved in putting this couple away, feel about themselves, knowing that they themselves or their co-hearts take steroids? I personally couldn't sleep at knight knowing that I had ruined peoples lives over hormones when either I myself or my organization that I work for for does the same thing. *LOL* Must be some real troopers in LE and the authority of our society.

We have a UC at our gym who does shows. It's sad that their are people who will stoop to this level just for money. He thinks that he's one of us, *LOL*. We've got his number tho. *LOL*. BE safe bro's. If ya don't know em personally, you are playing with fire. they are good for nothing people! To bad they don't concentrate on the "real" criminals.





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i mean i agree with most of that but, its illegal bro and im pretty sure he knew that..and that speach he made before sentencing probably saved him several months in prison,so no shame there..

as long as he doesnt have a serious violent offence he will be eligible for a 1 year deduction in his sentence for taking the federal residential drug abuse program,he will then be going to a 1/2 way house for 6 months so that will get him out of the fed 18 months early + his gain time..trust me it wont be that bad for him,lets just hope the lesson has been learned.

things of REAL value require time and hard work!!

[whatsupfister]

With the way the economy is going, budget cuts are being made big time every where. He could get out alot earlier than anticipated. That shit sux man, all over a drug that is misrepresented in this bullshit hypocrisy we call America

[stevo78]

Budget cuts?? You are clueless bro, nobody gets out of the feds early.

[whatsupfister]

come on bro, im clueless.....Watch what happens in Florida this year com January 2nd.

And T.I. and Vick both got out early, instantly corrected.