Test or Tren .. Bulk more or cut?

[MantusJohn]

OK I am 5' 9" 215 now and look like a silverback

I am thinking of running either 600mg Test E/week
and 400mg Tren E/week

OR 1,200mg Test E/week and just bulk more.

OR 1,200mg Tren E/week and just cut.

Everytime I see Alphamale's picture I must admit
I do get jealous and just want to cut since I can hold on to
190lbs without a problem while on Tren and cutting

BUT sometimes I want to just blow up more knowing when
I get back to the gym .. After 3yrs .. I can get to 225 in 2 weeks no problem
and then even more from there then cut after.

If I bulk more I know the fat over my abs won't get any bigger
but I really think my girl liked the abs I had when we met 8months ago when I was working out some at the VA and if I bulk there is no way I will see them anytime soon

So, what you think?

She is taking me to Applebees now for some good food

I will be back later

[jp2007]

Bulking/Cutting comes down to your diet, not what gear you use.

[BA69]

Exactly why would you need 1,200 mg of tren E to cut? That's quite a large dose considering its potency.

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by jp2007

Bulking/Cutting comes down to your diet, not what gear you use.

If that were the case we wouldn't need AAS for cutting

I can eat a box of ices a day while on Tren and still cut, so
maybe for you it's all about diet or your gear is bunk

I am not new to this so please spare me the lecture

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by BA69

Exactly why would you need 1,200 mg of tren E to cut? That's quite a large dose considering its potency.

I like to be safe than sorry

I use one product alone which is why I go high
on dose and I like it

So would you rather I go with 600mg/test, 400mg tren, 600mg EQ and
40mg DBol ? What is the difference?

as far as I can remember I been a little over 900mg Tren E/week
and I loved it.

No wait actually it will be 800mg Tren E a week I might run cause it's 200mg/ml and I will have 40ml.

My bad

[Elvia1023]

Originally Posted by MantusJohn

If that were the case we wouldn't need AAS for cutting

I can eat a box of ices a day while on Tren and still cut, so
maybe for you it's all about diet or your gear is bunk

I am not new to this so please spare me the lecture

Your not new to this... you sure sound like it. 1200mg tren... goodluck with that

Only muscle burns calories so my advice would be to put on muscle

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by jp2007

Bulking/Cutting comes down to your diet, not what gear you use.

This comment is up there with:
AAS only make up about 10% of gains
the rest is training and Diet

That shit cracks me up

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

Your not new to this... you sure sound like it.

When did you ever hear me sound like anything?

You mean it LOOKS like it by what I write?

It's OK I understand

Only muscle burns calories? Really? I mean REALLY?
You sticking by that comment?

[Elvia1023]

Originally Posted by MantusJohn

This comment is up there with:
AAS only make up about 10% of gains
the rest is training and Diet

That shit cracks me up

Gear is everything imo. Take loads you will get better results. But if you have to take that amount of tren to get to your goal there is something majorly wrong with everything else.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by MantusJohn

This comment is up there with:
AAS only make up about 10% of gains
the rest is training and Diet

That shit cracks me up

I hear you bro...

For me results are 80% gear.

I make better gains not watching my diet or being consistent about my training when I'm on than I did when I was natural and super dedicated to making sure I got my food in for the day and worked out like clockwork.

Sure, when I'm on and do things right I get better results than when I'm on and half-assing it. But on even just 200mg/wk of test my results half-assing it kick the shit out of the results I get giving it my all without juice.

[Elvia1023]

Originally Posted by MantusJohn

When did you ever hear me sound like anything?

You mean it LOOKS like it by what I write?

It's OK I understand

Only muscle burns calories? Really? I mean REALLY?
You sticking by that comment?

Organ or tissue Daily metabolic rate
Adipose (fat) 2 calories per pound
Muscle 6 calories per pound
Liver 91 calories per pound
Brain 109 calories per pound
Heart 200 calories per pound
Kidneys 200 calories per pound

But I still start by my comment. If you want to be like you say you need to build muscle. Why all the cutting and bulking. Build muscle don't go any fatter... hey with 1200mg tren I don't see that being a problem.

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

Gear is everything imo. Take loads you will get better results. But if you have to take that amount of tren to get to your goal there is something majorly wrong with everything else.

I can take 400mg/week and get great results but I love Tren
and the sweating, crazy sexdrive etc.

No of course I don't need that much...

Wait it's not 1,200mg/week it will be 800mg/week
I was thinking of the Test when I said 1,200

When I run Test high I get more of a bloat but high Tren and
I feel insane..

I don't like to wait I want what I want NOW.

We cool right? I wasn't trying to be rude.

[Elvia1023]

Originally Posted by Mota

I hear you bro...

For me results are 80% gear.

I make better gains not watching my diet or being consistent about my training when I'm on than I did when I was natural and super dedicated to making sure I got my food in for the day and worked out like clockwork.

Sure, when I'm on and do things right I get better results than when I'm on and half-assing it. But on even just 200mg/wk of test my results half-assing it kick the shit out of the results I get giving it my all without juice.

Results should be 100% gear, 100% diet, 100% training, 100% recovery

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

Results should be 100% gear, 100% diet, 100% training, 100% recovery

400%?

That's alot

[Elvia1023]

Originally Posted by MantusJohn

I can take 400mg/week and get great results but I love Tren
and the sweating, crazy sexdrive etc.

No of course I don't need that much...

Wait it's not 1,200mg/week it will be 800mg/week
I was thinking of the Test when I said 1,200

When I run Test high I get more of a bloat but high Tren and
I feel insane..

I don't like to wait I want what I want NOW.

We cool right? I wasn't trying to be rude.

Of course we are cool. It's only the internet. Don't think cos I disagreed with you that we are not cool. I am sure we would get on great. Don't worry I never take anything too seriously.

Yeah I defo hear you on the test part. High dosed tren would be great if done alone (like you say). If it works keep doing it. I just wanted you to think about it cos that much tren is not good for your body. Imo tren is very harsh and if there are other alternatives then maybelook into them. Hey what I am writing.. it's your body you do what you want. Just watch your bp etc on tren.

I get bloat too on test so I understand why you love the tren

[Elvia1023]

Originally Posted by MantusJohn

400%?

That's alot

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

Results should be 100% gear, 100% diet, 100% training, 100% recovery

You clearly failed math class.

[Alin]

Originally Posted by jp2007

Bulking/Cutting comes down to your diet, not what gear you use.

You can bulk or cut as mentioned. DIET is the decision maker.

[MantusJohn]

Originally Posted by Elvia1023

Of course we are cool. It's only the internet. Don't think cos I disagreed with you that we are not cool. I am sure we would get on great. Don't worry I never take anything too seriously.

Yeah I defo hear you on the test part. High dosed tren would be great if done alone (like you say). If it works keep doing it. I just wanted you to think about it cos that much tren is not good for your body. Imo tren is very harsh and if there are other alternatives then maybelook into them. Hey what I am writing.. it's your body you do what you want. Just watch your bp etc on tren.

I get bloat too on test so I understand why you love the tren

I was joking I don't care if we not good just kiddin bro

I used Tren high and low dose for years cause I brewed so much
and my bloodowork was great.. Soon as I started drinking every day
My liver enzymes went to 10X above normal

SO, I had a CAT scan and Ultra sound and all is good.
Spleen was little enlarged but went down and so did enzymes
2 weeks after not drinking

AAS doesn't scare me at any dose. It's my love of
Vodka that scares me

[Elvia1023]

If I were you I would bulk up. But using just over maintenance calories and slowly building up. Adjust diet accordingly. Try building muscle whilst minimizing fat gain. The tren will help matters alot. Again it's up to you. You say about alphamale and not minding being as big as him. Then losing fat whilst maintaining muscle would be the route.

The only way for people to give their best advice is to see pics of you.