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My TRT pooped out?

BoredStiff

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So around summer of last year I noticed I wasn't getting much from my 150mg of test E. per week along with 500iu HCG weekly, and specifically in the libido area. Early this year I decided to cycle a bit since it had been years so I went on some moderate tren, 175-350mg per week, now I've been back to my TRT dose and while the tren covered up the issue very well, I can't stay on tren forever so I need to figure out what exactly is wrong.

While I am currently on 150mg, I did a 6 week period on only 100mg and 500iu of hcg per week without an AI to get a base reading to go from, and it came out quite well:

Total Test: 790ng/dl
Free Test (direct): 23
Sensitive E2: 32
SHBG: 28.2

I think these numbers are really good and should provide for a perfectly good libido and sense of well-being. The E2 is too high for me, I tend to do better in the lower 18-21 range when I've gotten it to work, which sometimes it did at 200mg per week. I once tanked it down to 8 while taking 350mg per week but my libido was actually quite a bit better even though 8 is ridiculous. But even with the E2 lowered, I got nothing out of that 100mg which on paper, at least to me, loops pretty optimal.

So, just curious what you guys think. There are periods where it works, but more often than not when it doesn't. Everything else including thyroid is in normal mid-range. My preferred AI is Exemestane taken at 6.5mg daily which puts me at 21pg/dl E2.
 
Your numbers are nearly identical to what you reported last year on 100mg / week - https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/145672-did-my-trt-poop-out-am-i-depressed.html

What about prolactin? DHT? Stress? Thoughts of your ex? Maybe you just aren't into sex as much as you're getting older?

You say you do better with lower E2, but when lowering it in conjunction with 100mg testosterone / week you got nothing for your libido. Maybe you truly do need a higher TRT dose? Just throwing out ideas here, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on this as some other members.
 
Numbers and libido do not always correlate to each other. My libido is better when the numbers aren't to high. And some men do better with lower levels. Plus there are many other factors. Nutrition, rest, stress work etc. that can effect it.
 
Your numbers are nearly identical to what you reported last year on 100mg / week - https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/145672-did-my-trt-poop-out-am-i-depressed.html

What about prolactin? DHT? Stress? Thoughts of your ex? Maybe you just aren't into sex as much as you're getting older?

You say you do better with lower E2, but when lowering it in conjunction with 100mg testosterone / week you got nothing for your libido. Maybe you truly do need a higher TRT dose? Just throwing out ideas here, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on this as some other members.

I 100% agree. So many variables he simply can't be so certain. So many things can alter libido and they aren't all to do with hormones. Although I would personally want higher test readings for me but everyone is different. OP plus you say you do better at x estrogen but again you are just guessing. You had a blood test and felt good at x estrogen doesn't mean that is ideal for you as again there are 1001 variables. Maybe that estrogen was too low but everything else was in a good range and life was good at that time. You said it yourself you felt good when your estrogen was extremely low and that doesn't mean it should be that low all the time. So many things to consider. I would personally not worry about estrogen being a bit higher in conjunction with slightly higher test and I would look at ways to increase free test as well. I would also get extensive blood work if you haven't already and look at cortisol, prolactin, thyroid etc.
 
i had low test, around 300, and was jerkin off 3 times a day.
yall put way too much into test levels being the end all, be all.
christ, guy at my gym, 6 foot, 260, 21in neck and calves, veins popppin, was recently diagnosed hypogonadic. i know guys on 2g of gear a week who arent that muscular. this is a whole topic in itself.
25 percent of olympic athlete men tested for hormone levels came back 300 or below and still performed at a world class level.
again...fyi.
3 times a day jerkoff boy, with low test.
 
christ, guy at my gym, 6 foot, 260, 21in neck and calves, veins popppin, was recently diagnosed hypogonadic. i know guys on 2g of gear a week who arent that muscular. this is a whole topic in itself.
.
So he was offcycle....
Or taking aas that won't increase test levels....
Or he's fat.

Your point is not necessarily wrong in relation to some things but the example is not so good.
 
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Yeah you guys do make some good points as it could really be anything, I've kept some track of things, on 200mg of test my readings are nearly identical, my e2 stays exactly at 32pg/dl (sensitive) and my total test does increase to 950 give or take (thats at the lowest trough, which is when I always measure).

With No AI, I literally can't tell the difference between no TRT (which naturally I'm around 280ng/dl), 100mg per week, or 200mg per week. I can take a cialis and a viagra and nothing at all happens.

400mg Test with 1/2 an aromasin daily was spot-on perfection, but obviously I dropped back down to my prescribed dose on 1/4 aromasin daily and once again, nothing, no libido, ED, tired.

200mg per week and 1/2 an aromasin has worked amazingly well before, it's what I was taking like 3 years ago, so I'm not sure why now it doesn't.
My only guess is that there's an adaptation period and after even briefly being on 400mg, 150mg now feels like I have low T. This issue has been discussed on here regarding Masteron and its very common with Tren. So maybe it's just a matter of waiting it out, I have no idea.
 
Your numbers are nearly identical to what you reported last year on 100mg / week

What about prolactin? DHT? Stress? Thoughts of your ex? Maybe you just aren't into sex as much as you're getting older?

You say you do better with lower E2, but when lowering it in conjunction with 100mg testosterone / week you got nothing for your libido. Maybe you truly do need a higher TRT dose? Just throwing out ideas here, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on this as some other members.

Yeah they are basically the same. My estrogen also is the same at 100mg or 200mg. Prolactin, DHT and Thyroid are all in mid-range normal.

I've tried 100mg, 150mg, 200mg prescribed, and also 350mg and 400mg on my own just to "test" things out. It's overall pretty hit or miss, the only common variable is i'll take between 1/4 to a full dose of aromasin and most times i'll start getting crazy erections that very night, sometimes this sticks around, sometimes it sticks but its not as good (this was when I did a full pill per day at 350mg/ew, I was amazing at first but I likely went way past my sweet spot, and i hit 8pg/dl)
 
My TRT is 500mg test c a week for 10 years. Picture of health, fucking major horn dog. Doctors don't know shit.
 
My TRT is 400mg/week going 20 years. Doctors really don't know shit as graybass said. You have to look at the half-life to see what's happening. While 100-200mg of testosterone will take your levels up to a certain point, in the 7-10 days half-life, most people come down to or below the lower limit for testosterone levels, approx. 250-400 which for most of us, we feel like crap and no libido. TRT doses really should be higher so that when that half-life comes down, we end up at least in the middle or middle high part of the range where we feel the best.
 
My TRT is 400mg/week going 20 years. Doctors really don't know shit as graybass said. You have to look at the half-life to see what's happening. While 100-200mg of testosterone will take your levels up to a certain point, in the 7-10 days half-life, most people come down to or below the lower limit for testosterone levels, approx. 250-400 which for most of us, we feel like crap and no libido. TRT doses really should be higher so that when that half-life comes down, we end up at least in the middle or middle high part of the range where we feel the best.

Split the dose, etc.
 
My TRT is 500mg test c a week for 10 years. Picture of health, fucking major horn dog. Doctors don't know shit.

My TRT is 400mg/week going 20 years. Doctors really don't know shit as graybass said. You have to look at the half-life to see what's happening. While 100-200mg of testosterone will take your levels up to a certain point, in the 7-10 days half-life, most people come down to or below the lower limit for testosterone levels, approx. 250-400 which for most of us, we feel like crap and no libido. TRT doses really should be higher so that when that half-life comes down, we end up at least in the middle or middle high part of the range where we feel the best.

As the person above said; splitting the dose is an easy and very real solution...

But in no way shape or form is 400-500mg “TRT”..

You talk about half life but I don’t know a single person who injects 100-200mg of legit Pharma Test and gets a level of 250-400 7 days later... Usually the trough result is anywhere from 600-900 from what I’ve seen... There’s only a few options from what I see and please don’t take offense;

1) You’re trying to come up with whatever reason possible to use more Testosterone and you in fact are the one that doesn’t know anything

2) You’ve been using underdosed Testosterone

3) You’re an EXTREME metabolizer of Testosterone or something of the sort and your levels decrease rapidly, again for whatever reason...

Would either you or Graybass be willing to post bloodwork? Like actual bloodwork with your info cropped out of course? Not just saying what your health markers are etc...

There’s plenty of guys who say the same things you both just did and not a single one is willing to prove doctors or anyone on here with medical experience wrong with their bloodwork... Literally Zero people...

I’m genuinely interested in what 400-500mg of Test does long term, not trying to argue...
 
As the person above said; splitting the dose is an easy and very real solution...

But in no way shape or form is 400-500mg “TRT”..

You talk about half life but I don’t know a single person who injects 100-200mg of legit Pharma Test and gets a level of 250-400 7 days later... Usually the trough result is anywhere from 600-900 from what I’ve seen... There’s only a few options from what I see and please don’t take offense;

1) You’re trying to come up with whatever reason possible to use more Testosterone and you in fact are the one that doesn’t know anything

2) You’ve been using underdosed Testosterone

3) You’re an EXTREME metabolizer of Testosterone or something of the sort and your levels decrease rapidly, again for whatever reason...

Would either you or Graybass be willing to post bloodwork? Like actual bloodwork with your info cropped out of course? Not just saying what your health markers are etc...

There’s plenty of guys who say the same things you both just did and not a single one is willing to prove doctors or anyone on here with medical experience wrong with their bloodwork... Literally Zero people...

I’m genuinely interested in what 400-500mg of Test does long term, not trying to argue...

I've been on _real_ TRT for 20 years from a doctor--none of it was self-administered. I believe my body does metabolize it faster than it should like it has become "used to it." I should have said that I do have a split. The Rx is actually for 200mg twice a week. My next bloodwork appointment at the doc is in August. I'm only seen yearly for this now because I'm on permanently. I'm willing to post the bloodwork. I remember results from a couple years prior. One was about 600 and the other was about 900. Of course that's just my word so I'll see what I can do to get a copy of the bloodwork.
 

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