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Not too happy with my prescribed "TRT"

BoredStiff

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Ok so I bit the bullet and went with a clinic. My primary doc prescribes 150 but knows nothing about AI's, HCG etc. so I have to do all that, plus hide my gear use.

So I measured at 5'9, 189lbs, and 7.8% body fat, this seems to be about the normal.

The thing is, they prescribed me 300mg (I made a post earlier about 300mg, because I knew this was coming, just didn't wanna spill the beans).

Keep in mind, my natural limit is about 170-175, so I'm about 10-15lbs over my limit tops and single digits all year. According to them, 300mg would allow me to hang on to that far easier.

So I'm watching the moreplatesmoredates guy, and I don't know how credible he is, but he's about 220, decently built guy and claims he's stopped cycling and is maintaining on just 100mg. Same for Nelson Vergel and I believe even a few of the bigger guys here maintain on like 200mg.

Should I just go elsewhere? My plan, as discussed earlier, if this is the case, is do 100mg test and 100/200mg masteron as I don't mix well with test bloat. But I'm starting to wonder if 150-400mg is even going to make much of a difference in maintaining 15 extra pounds of muscle.

And for my blasts. I do three "mini" 4 week blasts of either 50mg/ed of Winny or 25mg/ed of Tren Ace three times a year, early spring, summer and early fall. I know that doesn't sound like much but it keeps me right above my natural limits and I just need to maintain that in between.

I'm trying to find a balance between being a bit above normal at all times but also being low enough (while not blasting) to let my body recover. I've done 350mg of test before with absolutely no issues, but my point is, if it's not actually needed, I'm a big believer in doing the least amount needed.
 
My trt is 100 a week and my bloods stay at 700 without any ai. When I blast I shoot up to 200-250 plus my blast gear with limited ai as needed. So...
I'm 5' 6.5" show weight 173 walk around 220, hopping th o hit 240 this bulk
 
What's your complaint?
 
Ok so I bit the bullet and went with a clinic. My primary doc prescribes 150 but knows nothing about AI's, HCG etc. so I have to do all that, plus hide my gear use.

So I measured at 5'9, 189lbs, and 7.8% body fat, this seems to be about the normal.

The thing is, they prescribed me 300mg (I made a post earlier about 300mg, because I knew this was coming, just didn't wanna spill the beans).

Keep in mind, my natural limit is about 170-175, so I'm about 10-15lbs over my limit tops and single digits all year. According to them, 300mg would allow me to hang on to that far easier.

So I'm watching the moreplatesmoredates guy, and I don't know how credible he is, but he's about 220, decently built guy and claims he's stopped cycling and is maintaining on just 100mg. Same for Nelson Vergel and I believe even a few of the bigger guys here maintain on like 200mg.

Should I just go elsewhere? My plan, as discussed earlier, if this is the case, is do 100mg test and 100/200mg masteron as I don't mix well with test bloat. But I'm starting to wonder if 150-400mg is even going to make much of a difference in maintaining 15 extra pounds of muscle.

And for my blasts. I do three "mini" 4 week blasts of either 50mg/ed of Winny or 25mg/ed of Tren Ace three times a year, early spring, summer and early fall. I know that doesn't sound like much but it keeps me right above my natural limits and I just need to maintain that in between.

I'm trying to find a balance between being a bit above normal at all times but also being low enough (while not blasting) to let my body recover. I've done 350mg of test before with absolutely no issues, but my point is, if it's not actually needed, I'm a big believer in doing the least amount needed.

I'm also scripted 300mg Test per week. But I only cruise on 160mg per week and "bank" the rest of the testosterone, and use that for my blasts.

So I'll do 160mg EW much of the year and then blast on 300-400 Test, possibly with another compound for 8-10 weeks.
 
Ok so I bit the bullet and went with a clinic. My primary doc prescribes 150 but knows nothing about AI's, HCG etc. so I have to do all that, plus hide my gear use.



So I measured at 5'9, 189lbs, and 7.8% body fat, this seems to be about the normal.



The thing is, they prescribed me 300mg (I made a post earlier about 300mg, because I knew this was coming, just didn't wanna spill the beans).



Keep in mind, my natural limit is about 170-175, so I'm about 10-15lbs over my limit tops and single digits all year. According to them, 300mg would allow me to hang on to that far easier.



So I'm watching the moreplatesmoredates guy, and I don't know how credible he is, but he's about 220, decently built guy and claims he's stopped cycling and is maintaining on just 100mg. Same for Nelson Vergel and I believe even a few of the bigger guys here maintain on like 200mg.



Should I just go elsewhere? My plan, as discussed earlier, if this is the case, is do 100mg test and 100/200mg masteron as I don't mix well with test bloat. But I'm starting to wonder if 150-400mg is even going to make much of a difference in maintaining 15 extra pounds of muscle.



And for my blasts. I do three "mini" 4 week blasts of either 50mg/ed of Winny or 25mg/ed of Tren Ace three times a year, early spring, summer and early fall. I know that doesn't sound like much but it keeps me right above my natural limits and I just need to maintain that in between.



I'm trying to find a balance between being a bit above normal at all times but also being low enough (while not blasting) to let my body recover. I've done 350mg of test before with absolutely no issues, but my point is, if it's not actually needed, I'm a big believer in doing the least amount needed.



Go else where. 300mg is not trt. My doc currently has me on just 100mg. I know we’re all different and process things differently but run 300mg and have blood work done and I guarantee your bloods will be no where near normal range. Find a doc who has your best interest and who will run bloods every 6 months or so.


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What's your complaint?

No real complaint, but I've cruised on 100, 150, 200, 300 and 350...... and on all those doses, I don't believe I've ever seen a single change in measurements. So if this medical group thinks I'm good on 300, I'm not against it but I'd rather do like 100 test/100mast or 200mast for a 300 total as I prefer the very dry look and I've never responded well to testosterone..... I literally grow more on winstrol than I do on 500mg of test, and it's dry weight.

So my thing is why take 300mg if 100mg can maintain the same size.... Primo is WAY out of my price range, but masteron I could do. The only thing that stopped me is people in another thread warning me about all the cardiovascular dangers of Masteron but I never assumed Mast and Test to be that different side-effect wise.

And to whoever asked about my TRT not being straight, it's been hit or miss for years. It seems I fixed it recently by really upping my HCG, fingers crossed.
 
My trt is 100 a week and my bloods stay at 700 without any ai. When I blast I shoot up to 200-250 plus my blast gear with limited ai as needed. So...
I'm 5' 6.5" show weight 173 walk around 220, hopping th o hit 240 this bulk

See, this is what I'm talking about. First off, those are some legit stats, and if that can be maintained at 100mg of TRT, that really makes me not want to add more and more test just because.

I don't even respond well to test, like I said, my waist just grows an inch or so (its water, one week on masteron and the inch comes right off).

100mg with 1000iu HCG per week puts me at 860ng/dl at trough and 1090ng/dl the day after injection..... I think those are pretty damn good numbers for maintaining a 185lb physique.
 
Have you run bloodwork with the varied doses?

Forget what other people use; everybody metabolizes this stuff differently. You have to figure out what your response is, and then sit in a "physiological" range for it to be called TRT.
 
Ok so I bit the bullet and went with a clinic. My primary doc prescribes 150 but knows nothing about AI's, HCG etc. so I have to do all that, plus hide my gear use.

So I measured at 5'9, 189lbs, and 7.8% body fat, this seems to be about the normal.

The thing is, they prescribed me 300mg (I made a post earlier about 300mg, because I knew this was coming, just didn't wanna spill the beans).

Keep in mind, my natural limit is about 170-175, so I'm about 10-15lbs over my limit tops and single digits all year. According to them, 300mg would allow me to hang on to that far easier.

So I'm watching the moreplatesmoredates guy, and I don't know how credible he is, but he's about 220, decently built guy and claims he's stopped cycling and is maintaining on just 100mg. Same for Nelson Vergel and I believe even a few of the bigger guys here maintain on like 200mg.

Should I just go elsewhere? My plan, as discussed earlier, if this is the case, is do 100mg test and 100/200mg masteron as I don't mix well with test bloat. But I'm starting to wonder if 150-400mg is even going to make much of a difference in maintaining 15 extra pounds of muscle.

And for my blasts. I do three "mini" 4 week blasts of either 50mg/ed of Winny or 25mg/ed of Tren Ace three times a year, early spring, summer and early fall. I know that doesn't sound like much but it keeps me right above my natural limits and I just need to maintain that in between.

I'm trying to find a balance between being a bit above normal at all times but also being low enough (while not blasting) to let my body recover. I've done 350mg of test before with absolutely no issues, but my point is, if it's not actually needed, I'm a big believer in doing the least amount needed.

I don't understand any of this post. First, your natural "limit" is 170-175lbs? At 5'9? You must have the worst genetics ever or don't eat/train properly if that is your "limit".

Second, what are your bloods showing at 100mg/wk with no ancillaries? I didnt see them listed only that you think you "need" more test and ancillaries because others use them. What others do is of no relevance to your situation.

Lastly, when you start adding Masteron (or other aas) you are no longer using TRT. You're cycling steroids. TRT is dr prescribed and monitored. And no dr (PCP or endo) is going to prescribe Masteron. If your bloods support your theory that you need more test and ancillaries than by all means seek another physician to guide your care. But the bloods must support that not what you "think" you need.
 
I don't understand any of this post. First, your natural "limit" is 170-175lbs? At 5'9? You must have the worst genetics ever or don't eat/train properly if that is your "limit".

Second, what are your bloods showing at 100mg/wk with no ancillaries? I didnt see them listed only that you think you "need" more test and ancillaries because others use them. What others do is of no relevance to your situation.

Lastly, when you start adding Masteron (or other aas) you are no longer using TRT. You're cycling steroids. TRT is dr prescribed and monitored. And no dr (PCP or endo) is going to prescribe Masteron. If your bloods support your theory that you need more test and ancillaries than by all means seek another physician to guide your care. But the bloods must support that not what you "think" you need.

i agree if the "everyone is different" statement and that it is not the right way to compare yourself to others.
I am on testogel TRT. (yes, the sh*t that most people think is crap, doesnt work, doesnt bring you up to good levels etc)
i was started in 2,5 pumps (2 pumps then 3 pumps then 2...) because the recommended dosage is 2 pumps and that is the dosage that fits to testosterone levels of elder ppl and he wanted mine to be slightly higher.
Well, checking test after 4 weeks showed that i was close to 1000 and that i had to reduce my dosage. (it is not 2 pumps, 2 pumps, 1 pump, 2 pumps, 2 pumps, 1 pump and so on which puts me to approx. 700)
 
You might be better off with the compounding pharmacy used by your clinic. West Ward from CVS is garbage. I just tested at 1212 ng/dL on 400 mg 4 days after shot. Sun pharma gets me to 800+ on 100 mg.
 
I don't understand any of this post. First, your natural "limit" is 170-175lbs? At 5'9? You must have the worst genetics ever or don't eat/train properly if that is your "limit".

.
Dumb thing to post. Totally depends on bf level, look, etc.
 
so do the 300!
then get bloods and yr doc will adjust accordingly after u see yr multiple.
there's no issue here at all. if ur super high, which u should be, then u lower it. 8x multiple? then lower the dose to where ur weekly dose x multiple puts u in normal range....but u dont seem to want to BE in normal range anyway, so.....
and going by bodyweight....i dont know why i read these threads....
 
I'm not sure what's all the confusion here is, but I think most of us agree 300 mg is NOT TRT. I would consider it a small beginner cycle, but that's not what I would recommend even for a beginner.

I have been prescribed from a regular doc 200 mg of Watson Test Cyp a week. However, I've been running 125 mg at 1,000 ng....I can't remember my free Test. I did run a Test and 300 MG of Tren A a week last summer and I thought I was in trouble....labs were actually okay.
 
I don't understand any of this post. First, your natural "limit" is 170-175lbs? At 5'9? You must have the worst genetics ever or don't eat/train properly if that is your "limit".

Second, what are your bloods showing at 100mg/wk with no ancillaries? I didnt see them listed only that you think you "need" more test and ancillaries because others use them. What others do is of no relevance to your situation.

Lastly, when you start adding Masteron (or other aas) you are no longer using TRT. You're cycling steroids. TRT is dr prescribed and monitored. And no dr (PCP or endo) is going to prescribe Masteron. If your bloods support your theory that you need more test and ancillaries than by all means seek another physician to guide your care. But the bloods must support that not what you "think" you need.

It was written in a hurry, my mistake.

Yes my natural limit after about 23 years is 173lbs or so. Keep in mind, this is with a 28.5 inch waist, I can be at 195lbs easily with a 32 inch waist. If you look up guys like Dave Goodin, Brian Whitacre, Rob Riches, Jim Cordova etc., 165-175 is typically the norm in shape, so you are WAY off there, sorry to say. Maybe Anthony Monetti or Micah Lacerte hold 180lbs, maybe. (These are all very common names in the "natty" bodybuilding world, before the Lobliner's and Ogus Cakes got really big, and should still be easy to find).

100mg test with 500iu of HCG and no AI puts me at 790ng/dl at the lowest trough (thursday morning, last injection being Monday morning). 200mg with 500iu HCG puts me at 950ng/dl at the same lowest trough.

I added more HCG because regardless of what dose I tried, my overall drive was really hit or miss. I had always avoided HCG, as I prefer to be as infertile as possible because I like sex with multiple partners, so every bit helps. I went to 2000iu HCG weekly for about three weeks then dropped to a more normal 1000iu HCG per week which seems to have helped some.

As far as the Masteron. That's not me trying to be healthy, that's me trying to look at best as I can year round while keeping damage control pretty tight. I'm not trying to be the epitome of health, I'm trying to be as healthy as possible while making some sacrifices to stay a bit above average physique-wise. Realistically, all I need for TRT is about 80mg per week. That's for health purposes, I still want to turn some heads and realize it's not healthy but I can be on 100mg test/200mg Tren year round or 100mg test/200mg Masteron year round, do you know what I mean? It's a balancing act.

Diet is on point year round, I don't bulk, ever, I think eating that much is a big stressor on my body and I literally have maintained size and strength on over a year of just 75g of protein per day, I don't know if I'm an anomaly, I just don't need much food. Add to that, 45 minutes of cardio 5x a week year round. EndoPro, NAC, Policosanol, Garlic Extract, Hawthorne Extract, L-Citrulline, Cialis, Sunflower Seed Oil year round (I add a lot more when I'm on my one month 200mg of tren of 50mg of winny including 1.5g of Niacin, TUDCA etc.). So I'm not neglecting my health at all, but I'm very open that I'll do a bit of Winny or Tren here and there and I'll modify my Cruise (sorry, I know it's not TRT, it's just words to me and I wrongfully assume people get what I'm talking to when I say I'm adding Masteron to my TRT).

But yeah that's about it. The Masteron is a trial for now, If I can maintain on 100 test/100 Mast or even just 100-150 test on it's own, I'm all for it. All I do know is I can't do higher than TRT level test, I get to watery looking for my preference. So it's either keep it under 150 or throw in a bit of Masteron. Either is fine with me.
 
The issue is, I don't like test. I don't NEED 300mg. I like looking really dry considering I'm basically single digit body fat all year. So I'm curious how the cardiovascular damage compares between testosterone and masteron at doses of 100mg-200mg. It's a fairly legit question, or it was to me.

And I apologize, I know nobody likes anything over 125mg being mentioned near the same paragraph as TRT. So Let's say cruise, however, these labs, and the ones I spoke with have plenty of guys one 300 Test/200 Deca and such, are calling it TRT and there's not much I can do about that. I think we are all smart enough to know the difference but just like to play silly ego BS and try to bicker and argue, which is totally unproductive.

I'm not telling the average joe to go above a physician prescribed dose, I would NEVER do that, however, I'm trying to talk to people in the bodybuilding and physique realm about maintaining a health/look balance.

And really, nothing is safe outside of true TRT. The amount of guys that drop dead on this forum, no offense and rest their souls, is astronomical. So I think deep down we are all in agreement that ok, we didn't pick the healthiest of hobbies, but, for some of us that are getting a little older, we're trying to do some damage control and minimize the negative impact as best as we can.
 

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