Clen/Ephedra while doing VLCD

[Creation]

Hey guys,

Im running Shelby starnes VLCD diet

thoughts/advice on adding 2 weeks of clen then 2 weeks ECA//repeat with this type of diet/ any other considerations


Im also on 200mg TC/week w/ 1mg arimidex/week

 

[Brickshthouse79]

Why are you doing a vlcd? Do you have a time constraint? If be concerned with muscle loss and thyroid slowdown and fat rebound exiting the vlcd.

 

[Gunsmith]

It will definitely be helpful in fat loss
I would use ECY instead of ECA. I've found the yohimbe helps fat loss better.

 

[b-boy]

Why are you doing a vlcd? Do you have a time constraint? If be concerned with muscle loss and thyroid slowdown and fat rebound exiting the vlcd.

why would you lose muscle? All the studies I've read say the exact opposite of that. If the body gave up muscle that easy cavemen would have NEVER survived and we would be extinct.

It will definitely be helpful in fat loss
I would use ECY instead of ECA. I've found the yohimbe helps fat loss better.

I agree ECY is much better! I personally cycle between clen and yohimbe HCL.

 

[Brickshthouse79]

why would you lose muscle? All the studies I've read say the exact opposite of that. If the body gave up muscle that easy cavemen would have NEVER survived and we would be extinct.


I agree ECY is much better! I personally cycle between clen and yohimbe HCL.

My logic is vlcd is catabolic. The body is surviving on a severe caloric deficit. Unless using a decent amount of gear im surprised you'd suggest otherwise. Lets say the OP pulls back cals to 1200/day, do you think it would be muscle sparing? Not trying to be a d*ck, i respect you and im curious to hear the other side of the argument.

 

[Brickshthouse79]

Ah, vlcd is very low carb diet! I thought it was a very low calorie diet, as in 1200 cals and intended for morbidly obese. Please disregard my prior comments. I thought the idea was dieting at very low cals and questioned how it would not be catabolic.

 

[Brickshthouse79]

why would you lose muscle? All the studies I've read say the exact opposite of that. If the body gave up muscle that easy cavemen would have NEVER survived and we would be extinct.


I agree ECY is much better! I personally cycle between clen and yohimbe HCL.

Do you use yohimbine hcl? Also, at what dose? I havent used it in years and may toss it in next month.

 

[TripppleP]

Does yohimbe act like a stimulant? I never tired it but have used plenty of ECA back in the day.

 

[b-boy]

Do you use yohimbine hcl? Also, at what dose? I havent used it in years and may toss it in next month.

Yes, HCL I work my dosage up to 20mg daily.

 

[Brickshthouse79]

why would you lose muscle? All the studies I've read say the exact opposite of that. If the body gave up muscle that easy cavemen would have NEVER survived and we would be extinct.


I agree ECY is much better! I personally cycle between clen and yohimbe HCL.

Does yohimbe act like a stimulant? I never tired it but have used plenty of ECA back in the day.

Yes, its a stimulant and some feel its helpful for areas of stubborn fat.

 

[aphextwin]

If you don't know this already, remember to take yohimbe HCL in a fasted state.

 

[USMuscle9403]

Does yohimbe act like a stimulant? I never tired it but have used plenty of ECA back in the day.

For me it had the effects of a stimulant without the energy...LOL. I mostly used it for appetite suppression. I think the most I was comfortable with was 17.5mg a day spread over three dosages. Any more than that and I'd get heart palpitations, shaky hands, flushed appearance like I'd just seen a ghost and would sweat more than DNP. The side effects weren't even noticeable at less than that; if I went over, they came all at once. Be careful with it, it's easy to go over.

Always take it fasted, or at least with something that causes little to no insulin spike.

 

[randyh4]

Yes, HCL I work my dosage up to 20mg daily.

I'm currently doing ECY.. Yohimbine is 10 mg 2x daily... Be sure to work up to that dose though, it's potent stuff and you'll be flying.