Nitrates pre.

[notorius]

I have been researching this topic and found out that a 220lbs person needs 35 grams of Beta vulgaris L/beetroots extract which far far superior than what most manufacturers state in their labels(500-850 mg)to get the nitrates benefits, is this accurate?

 

[Mike Arnold]

I have been researching this topic and found out that a 220lbs person needs 35 grams of Beta vulgaris L/beetroots extract which far far superior than what most manufacturers state in their labels(500-850 mg)to get the nitrates benefits, is this accurate?

Or, just use nitrates themselves. 1,500 mg sodium nitrate--works great.

A gram of beet root extract won't do jack.

 

[cmryan]

I have been researching this topic and found out that a 220lbs person needs 35 grams of Beta vulgaris L/beetroots extract which far far superior than what most manufacturers state in their labels(500-850 mg)to get the nitrates benefits, is this accurate?

I didn't think beta vulgaris was standardized to contain any level of nitrates. If it is and you're good with downing 35gm of it then by all means give it a shot. But your numbers about a 220 lb person needing 500-850mg is in the ball park of what I've read as well. Still, I'd go with actual nitrates instead. I'd think you've got a better chance of getting the actual amount of nitrates that way. Just remember to account for the weight of the nitrate and what it's bonded to. Sodium nitrate is about 73% nitrate, betaine nitrate about 35% and arginine nitrate about 26%.

 

[notorius]

I didn't think beta vulgaris was standardized to contain any level of nitrates. If it is and you're good with downing 35gm of it then by all means give it a shot. But your numbers about a 220 lb person needing 500-850mg is in the ball park of what I've read as well. Still, I'd go with actual nitrates instead. I'd think you've got a better chance of getting the actual amount of nitrates that way. Just remember to account for the weight of the nitrate and what it's bonded to. Sodium nitrate is about 73% nitrate, betaine nitrate about 35% and arginine nitrate about 26%.

Downing 35 gr of it will have me on a diarrhea crisis. Where to source out sodium nitrates? the only company I am aware of stopped making it sometime now.

 

[Knight9]

Or just use cialis 10-20mg. It's an amazing vasodilator..
The problem comes when - if you like to use cialis, you really have to be careful about the amount of nitrates you are consuming..(as you know Mike).

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[Mike Arnold]

Downing 35 gr of it will have me on a diarrhea crisis. Where to source out sodium nitrates? the only company I am aware of stopped making it sometime now.

It's included in MA-PUMP (1,500 mg per serving), but MA-PUMP has other pump, cell-columizing ingredients in it as well.

 

[Mike Arnold]

I didn't think beta vulgaris was standardized to contain any level of nitrates. If it is and you're good with downing 35gm of it then by all means give it a shot. But your numbers about a 220 lb person needing 500-850mg is in the ball park of what I've read as well. Still, I'd go with actual nitrates instead. I'd think you've got a better chance of getting the actual amount of nitrates that way. Just remember to account for the weight of the nitrate and what it's bonded to. Sodium nitrate is about 73% nitrate, betaine nitrate about 35% and arginine nitrate about 26%.

Beet root extract contains 1-2% nitrates by weight, so a 500-850 mg dosage wll provide a pititful 5-17 mg of nitrates. That won't do anything. There will be absolutely no visible effect.

I use a 1,500 mg dose of sodium nitrate in MA-PUMP, which is a large dose of nitrates (about 1,000 mg total nitrates) and FAR more effective than the useless 5-17 mg of nitrates found in the above mentioned dose of beet root extract.

Beet root extract for pump purposes is a flat-out scam...and anyone who advertises it as such knows they are BS'ing people. In order to get a solid dose of nitrates from beets, you need to drink 100% beet juice...and a big glass of it (8-10 ounces). That gets expensive quick.

 

[skosao]

Or just use cialis 10-20mg. It's an amazing vasodilator..
The problem comes when - if you like to use cialis, you really have to be careful about the amount of nitrates you are consuming..(as you know Mike).

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15g beet root extract + 20mg cialis = craziest pumps ever

 

[skosao]

Beet root extract contains 1-2% nitrates by weight, so a 500-850 mg dosage wll provide a pititful 5-17 mg of nitrates. That won't do anything. There will be absolutely no visible effect.

I use a 1,500 mg dose of sodium nitrate in MA-PUMP, which is a large dose of nitrates (about 1,000 mg total nitrates) and FAR more effective than the useless 5-17 mg of nitrates found in the above mentioned dose of beet root extract.

Beet root extract for pump purposes is a flat-out scam...and anyone who advertises it as such knows they are BS'ing people. In order to get a solid dose of nitrates from beets, you need to drink 100% beet juice...and a big glass of it (8-10 ounces). That gets expensive quick.

beet root extract is dirt cheap, just up the dose, i've been including 15g beet root extract with my pre work out stack and it's amazing at that dose

 

[Dog-Slime]

I got some creatine nitrate (APS) that works pretty well.

 

[cmryan]

Beet root extract contains 1-2% nitrates by weight, so a 500-850 mg dosage wll provide a pititful 5-17 mg of nitrates. That won't do anything. There will be absolutely no visible effect.

I use a 1,500 mg dose of sodium nitrate in MA-PUMP, which is a large dose of nitrates (about 1,000 mg total nitrates) and FAR more effective than the useless 5-17 mg of nitrates found in the above mentioned dose of beet root extract.

Beet root extract for pump purposes is a flat-out scam...and anyone who advertises it as such knows they are BS'ing people. In order to get a solid dose of nitrates from beets, you need to drink 100% beet juice...and a big glass of it (8-10 ounces). That gets expensive quick.

Mike, my comment about 500-850mg was referring to mg of nitrates. Not mg of beet root. Apologies on the confusion but I figured I made it clear I was pretty solidly behind using actual nitrates and not beet root.

 

[maldorf]

This study had people ingest 250 ml beetroot extract vs a control. The test group had a BP lower as much as 8 mm hg. I don't think the study tells us how much nitrate they were actually getting, I didn't read the whole thing but they suggest it is an inexpensive and natural way for hypertensive people to lower their BP.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4288952/

 

[Ashop]

15g beet root extract + 20mg cialis = craziest pumps ever

I just got some beet root extract in. I will have to try this combo.

 

[Mike Arnold]

beet root extract is dirt cheap, just up the dose, i've been including 15g beet root extract with my pre work out stack and it's amazing at that dose

Even at that monster dose (15 grams), it only provides a total of 150-300 mg of nitrates. 300 mg is OK (pretty much at the bottom end of what is considered an effective dose for pump purposes), but 150 mg is considered a very small dose--less than the minimum recommended amount for enhancing bloodflow.

Sodium nirtate is MUCH more cost effective than beet root extract. A 1,500 mg dose provides roughly 1,000 mg of nitrates, which is 3.5-7X as much nitrates as aq 15 gram dose of beet root. Besides, who wants to consume 15 grams of beet root? If you are taking capsules, that is like 15-30 caps...and if you want to get the same dose of nitrates that is found in 1,500 mg of sodium nitrate, you would need to consume 50-100 caps. Even if you have pure beet root powder, taking a 50-100 gram dose is massive--roughly the equivalent of 2-4 scoops of protein powder...not to mention it would cost WAY more money than a 1,500 mg dose of sodium nitrate.

The bottom line is that beet root extract is an inefficient, non-cost-effective and out of date way to consume nitrates.

The only reason ANY supp company includes beet root extract in their pump products is because they want to be able to say that their product contains nitrates, but they don't want to pay the ridiculous patent fees (courtsey of patent trolll, Ron Kramer) for pure nitrates. If Ron Kramer (i.e. Thermolife) didn't have all his ridiculous (and sometimes invalid/illegal) patents, not a single supp company would be using beet root extract in their pump products. These companies know that the amount of beet root extract in their products won't do jack, but include it for marketing purposes. They are counting on the FACT that the majority of supplement buyers aren't aware of the beet root extract to nitrate ratio, or even the amount of nitrates they should be taking for pump purposes...and are instead simply happy that the product they bought contains nitrates.

Taking beet root extract in the hopes of consuming an optimal dose of nitrates is like consuming a 5 pounds bag of oranges in order to get a 1 gram dose of Vitamin C. It just doesn't make sense when we have pure (and less costly) nitrates readily avalable.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike, my comment about 500-850mg was referring to mg of nitrates. Not mg of beet root. Apologies on the confusion but I figured I made it clear I was pretty solidly behind using actual nitrates and not beet root.

OK, gotcha. 500-850 mg of nitrates is an effective dose.

 

[Mike Arnold]

This study had people ingest 250 ml beetroot extract vs a control. The test group had a BP lower as much as 8 mm hg. I don't think the study tells us how much nitrate they were actually getting, I didn't read the whole thing but they suggest it is an inexpensive and natural way for hypertensive people to lower their BP.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4288952/

Yes, it was like 8 ounces (a little more). While an 8 ounce glass of beet root juice certainly provides a ton of nutrients, I would dispute it being an "inexpensive" (relative to the consumption of pure nitrates) way for people to lower their blood pressure.

As far as juices go, beet root is on the more costly side, but as I stated above, it is certainly an option...and provides a lot more benefits than just nitrates. The amount and type of phytonutrients it contains is pretty impressive.

Ideally, I would recommend juicing your own beets and drinking it fresh. You can get enough beets to make an 8 ounce glas of juice for around $2.50. Unlike pre-bottled beet root juice, whch is boiled prior to packaging, fresh beet root juice still contains all of its natural enzymes. This makes it a far superior option to pre-bottled juice...and the price is similar.

 

[warlock]

Beet root extract contains 1-2% nitrates by weight, so a 500-850 mg dosage wll provide a pititful 5-17 mg of nitrates. That won't do anything. There will be absolutely no visible effect.

I use a 1,500 mg dose of sodium nitrate in MA-PUMP, which is a large dose of nitrates (about 1,000 mg total nitrates) and FAR more effective than the useless 5-17 mg of nitrates found in the above mentioned dose of beet root extract.

Beet root extract for pump purposes is a flat-out scam...and anyone who advertises it as such knows they are BS'ing people. In order to get a solid dose of nitrates from beets, you need to drink 100% beet juice...and a big glass of it (8-10 ounces). That gets expensive quick.

Mike,

For someone already using 10mg of cialis pre-workout, do you think adding 1,500mg of sodium nitrate would still be beneficial?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike,

For someone already using 10mg of cialis pre-workout, do you think adding 1,500mg of sodium nitrate would still be beneficial?

Yes, but personally, I would rather use citrulline with cialis.

 

[Knight9]

Yes, but personally, I would rather use citrulline with cialis.

..because its safer? Personally, 10-15mg cialis, 8-12g citrulline is fantastic. I usually add 8g or so of hydromax when possible. What is your hesitation when adding sodium nitrate to this concoction...or does it just need to be capped? (less than a certain amount)

 

[warlock]

..because its safer? Personally, 10-15mg cialis, 8-12g citrulline is fantastic. I usually add 8g or so of hydromax when possible. What is your hesitation when adding sodium nitrate to this concoction...or does it just need to be capped? (less than a certain amount)

I use cialis pre-workout and citrulline intra workout. Was thinking of adding 1500mg sodium nitrate, but maybe it's overkilling??