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GH/Metformin/DHEA turns back the clock

Sixdog76

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I thought this was interesting. Small study shows GH\Metformin\DHEA cocktail turn the biological clock back. Average of 2 years.

https://apple.news/Agu48Va8RNYOe10m1WBnCFA

A small clinical study in California has suggested for the first time that it might be possible to reverse the body’s epigenetic clock, which measures a person’s biological age.

For one year, nine healthy volunteers took a cocktail of three common drugs — growth hormone and two diabetes medications — and on average shed 2.5 years of their biological ages, measured by analysing marks on a person’s genomes. The participants’ immune systems also showed signs of rejuvenation.

The results were a surprise even to the trial organizers — but researchers caution that the findings are preliminary because the trial was small and did not include a control arm.


Biomarkers and ageing: The clock-watcher
“I’d expected to see slowing down of the clock, but not a reversal,” says geneticist Steve Horvath at the University of California, Los Angeles, who conducted the epigenetic analysis. “That felt kind of futuristic.” The findings were published on 5 September in Aging Cell.

“It may be that there is an effect,” says cell biologist Wolfgang Wagner at the University of Aachen in Germany. “But the results are not rock solid because the study is very small and not well controlled.”

Marks of life
The epigenetic clock relies on the body’s epigenome, which comprises chemical modifications, such as methyl groups, that tag DNA. The pattern of these tags changes during the course of life, and tracks a person’s biological age, which can lag behind or exceed chronological age.

Scientists construct epigenetic clocks by selecting sets of DNA-methylation sites across the genome. In the past few years, Horvath — a pioneer in epigenetic-clock research — has developed some of the most accurate ones.

The latest trial was designed mainly to test whether growth hormone could be used safely in humans to restore tissue in the thymus gland. The gland, which is in the chest between the lungs and the breastbone, is crucial for efficient immune function. White blood cells are produced in bone marrow and then mature inside the thymus, where they become specialized T cells that help the body to fight infections and cancers. But the gland starts to shrink after puberty and increasingly becomes clogged with fat.

Evidence from animal and some human studies shows that growth hormone stimulates regeneration of the thymus. But this hormone can also promote diabetes, so the trial included two widely used anti-diabetic drugs, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and metformin, in the treatment cocktail.

The Thymus Regeneration, Immunorestoration and Insulin Mitigation (TRIIM) trial tested 9 white men between 51 and 65 years of age. It was led by immunologist Gregory Fahy, the chief scientific officer and co-founder of Intervene Immune in Los Angeles, and was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration in May 2015. It began a few months later at Stanford Medical Center in Palo Alto, California.

Fahy’s fascination with the thymus goes back to 1986, when he read a study in which scientists transplanted growth-hormone-secreting cells into rats, apparently rejuvenating their immune systems. He was surprised that no one seemed to have followed up on the result with a clinical trial. A decade later, at age 46, he treated himself for a month with growth hormone and DHEA, and found some regeneration of his own thymus.

In the TRIIM trial, the scientists took blood samples from participants during the treatment period. Tests showed that blood-cell count was rejuvenated in each of the participants. The researchers also used magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to determine the composition of the thymus at the start and end of the study. They found that in seven participants, accumulated fat had been replaced with regenerated thymus tissue.

Rewinding the clock
Checking the effect of the drugs on the participants’ epigenetic clocks was an afterthought. The clinical study had finished when Fahy approached Horvath to conduct an analysis.

Horvath used four different epigenetic clocks to assess each patient’s biological age, and he found significant reversal for each trial participant in all of the tests. “This told me that the biological effect of the treatment was robust,” he says. What’s more, the effect persisted in the six participants who provided a final blood sample six months after stopping the trial, he says.

“Because we could follow the changes within each individual, and because the effect was so very strong in each of them, I am optimistic,” says Horvath.

Researchers are already testing metformin for its potential to protect against common age-related diseases, such as cancer and heart disease. Fahy says that the three drugs in the cocktail might contribute separately to the effect on biological ageing through unique mechanisms. Intervene Immune is planning a larger study that will include people of different age groups and ethnicities, and women.

Regenerating the thymus could be useful in people who have underactive immune systems, including older people, he says. Pneumonia and other infectious diseases are a major cause of death in people older than 70.

Cancer immunologist Sam Palmer at the Herriot-Watt University in Edinburgh says that it is exciting to see the expansion of immune cells in the blood. This “has huge implications not just for infectious disease but also for cancer and ageing in general”.
 
And yet I keep hearing all this bad stuff about metformin making people sick etc. my goto is gh/T4/metformin if needed. Monitor bloods and my body loves it. Great combo.
 
And yet I keep hearing all this bad stuff about metformin making people sick etc. my goto is gh/T4/metformin if needed. Monitor bloods and my body loves it. Great combo.

I cant use METFORMIN. It gives me the worst stomach issues I have ever experienced.
 
I cant use METFORMIN. It gives me the worst stomach issues I have ever experienced.



Same here. I gave it a try for a solid two weeks and my body just didn’t respond well. I use berberine instead.


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^ It’s supposed to virtually identical in its actions.
Just make you get good stuff. I pray the stuff I’m using is good stuff. Lol
That’s always the prob w supps. Not regulated.
 
I love this stuff!

Can't you make a post with actually something in it?


I use met and GH and love the effects, of course my multi has a good dose of vit D. Funny thing is I used met for a year straight with no stomach issues, took a month off and have been back on it for month and my stomach has been messed up. I'm still hoping it will pass....

I need to look into DHEA and more vit D I suppose!
 
Same here. I gave it a try for a solid two weeks and my body just didn’t respond well. I use berberine instead.

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A UK study of a few thousand people, performed through their public health insurance system (i.e. a well done study in which data was easy to collect thus a high level of accuracy), found that 90% of patients who did not tolerate immediate release metformin were able to tolerate extended release metformin. Yet there seems to be an inordinate amount of people around here who say they can't tolerate metformin? I've yet to meet one person who does not tolerate extended release metformin. I simply do not believe these people who say they don't tolerate metformin. There is either something else going on with them, like this guy who started the abdominal distention thread saying it was metformin who has since ceased metformin but still has a distended gut, or they have only tried the immediate release version.

Rex.
 
A UK study of a few thousand people, performed through their public health insurance system (i.e. a well done study in which data was easy to collect thus a high level of accuracy), found that 90% of patients who did not tolerate immediate release metformin were able to tolerate extended release metformin. Yet there seems to be an inordinate amount of people around here who say they can't tolerate metformin? I've yet to meet one person who does not tolerate extended release metformin. I simply do not believe these people who say they don't tolerate metformin. There is either something else going on with them, like this guy who started the abdominal distention thread saying it was metformin who has since ceased metformin but still has a distended gut, or they have only tried the immediate release version.

Rex.


In the study I would assume the patients were forced to stay on it so eventually the stomach issues subsided which is what is supposed to happen. But for some random guy a couple weeks of running to the bathroom would make him quit the stuff. That is probably what accounts for the skewed percentage on here...
 
In the study I would assume the patients were forced to stay on it so eventually the stomach issues subsided which is what is supposed to happen. But for some random guy a couple weeks of running to the bathroom would make him quit the stuff. That is probably what accounts for the skewed percentage on here...

First time, I was that guy. I ran it for about two weeks and had the worst diarrhea of my life so I stopped. I was told to hang in there so the next few times were 10-12 week runs and the diarrhea and stomach disturbances never stopped. I cant imagine on using something like this for even longer terms with the side effects never subsiding. There are a small % of people who just don't tolerate it at all, regardless.
 
First time, I was that guy. I ran it for about two weeks and had the worst diarrhea of my life so I stopped. I was told to hang in there so the next few times were 10-12 week runs and the diarrhea and stomach disturbances never stopped. I cant imagine on using something like this for even longer terms with the side effects never subsiding. There are a small % of people who just don't tolerate it at all, regardless.

Thank christ I work from home because i have these symptoms the first 1-3 weeks when I start up berberine or metformin ... and good god if i didn't work from home.
 
In the study I would assume the patients were forced to stay on it so eventually the stomach issues subsided which is what is supposed to happen. But for some random guy a couple weeks of running to the bathroom would make him quit the stuff. That is probably what accounts for the skewed percentage on here...

Unfortunately there is no such thing as forcing compliance in an outpatient setting, obviously. A fair percent, estimated as high as 50% in some studies will not tolerate metformin IR. Almost no one has difficulty tolerating metformin XR, they just don't listen or they don't understand what I'm saying like you. It has nothing to do with staying on it to acclimate. Ashop usually knows what he's talking about but I guarantee you he used IR or had something else going on.

Rex.
 
Unfortunately there is no such thing as forcing compliance in an outpatient setting, obviously. A fair percent, estimated as high as 50% in some studies will not tolerate metformin IR. Almost no one has difficulty tolerating metformin XR, they just don't listen or they don't understand what I'm saying like you. It has nothing to do with staying on it to acclimate. Ashop usually knows what he's talking about but I guarantee you he used IR or had something else going on.

Rex.

Get over yourself asshole
 
Get over yourself asshole

You are just unhappy with your life and are projecting your frustrations upon me because I speak truth that is uncomfortable for you to hear.

"The older I get the more I realize I was a sucker working my ass off at all my businesses and investments wasting my youth so I could say that I did it the "right way" while everyone else just coasted, partied and lived it up not giving a shit and then did some shady shit to end up in the same place I am. Half the guys I know and even girls did everything wrong and still ended up as far along as me"

Has it occurred to you that maybe you were just not very smart? Project away. I said nothing that was not true.

Rex.
 
Been taking metformin for must be close to ten years now. Never had stomach issues and definitely helped me stay lean.



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Been taking metformin for must be close to ten years now. Never had stomach issues and definitely helped me stay lean.



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what did you find was the best way to use it?
During bulk and lean phases?
 
I've been wondering if anyone has used metformin or berberine that already has hypoglycemia. It seems it may be counterintuitive. I like the idea of the life extension possibilities but my logic is that it would only exacerbate an already low circulating blood sugar.

The research on life extension due to these compounds seem new so I don't believe there are any relevant studies on the effect on those with this condition. I'll continue to steer clear unless anyone has experience or knowledge but it would be great to have less roller coaster issues even when eating all complex carbs.
 
A UK study of a few thousand people, performed through their public health insurance system (i.e. a well done study in which data was easy to collect thus a high level of accuracy), found that 90% of patients who did not tolerate immediate release metformin were able to tolerate extended release metformin. Yet there seems to be an inordinate amount of people around here who say they can't tolerate metformin? I've yet to meet one person who does not tolerate extended release metformin. I simply do not believe these people who say they don't tolerate metformin. There is either something else going on with them, like this guy who started the abdominal distention thread saying it was metformin who has since ceased metformin but still has a distended gut, or they have only tried the immediate release version.

Rex.

What did you think of the study (that I'm positive you've seen) that showed Metformin could hinder the health benefits associated with exercise? I have to admit it concerned me enough to stop taking it for now.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30548390
 
You are just unhappy with your life and are projecting your frustrations upon me because I speak truth that is uncomfortable for you to hear.

"The older I get the more I realize I was a sucker working my ass off at all my businesses and investments wasting my youth so I could say that I did it the "right way" while everyone else just coasted, partied and lived it up not giving a shit and then did some shady shit to end up in the same place I am. Half the guys I know and even girls did everything wrong and still ended up as far along as me"

Has it occurred to you that maybe you were just not very smart? Project away. I said nothing that was not true.

Rex.


Wow you pulled a quote from a different thread, haha what a loser.

Okay then, so which way would you prefer for me to shoot down how much smarter you think you are than everyone else?


Would you like me to argue the difference in compliance between a bunch of random people on an Internet forum vs people taking part and being compensated for a medical study?

Or

Would you like me to point out that if you’re willing to dismiss compliance in the study then that entirely negates the findings as people who aren’t using the drug aren’t going to have stomach issues, “obviously”.


I didn’t even dispute anything you said I was pointing out a possible simple explanation, but you didn’t like that because it didn’t fall in line with the idea in your head that you’re simply smarter than all of us right? Sorry we’re not all as smart as you since you know about this study and you must know what is going on with guys bodies better than they do because of it.......


Jesus what a narcissist, go fake some more personal injuries you loser weirdo.

Like I said, get over yourself asshole.
 

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