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Old 10-22-2014, 10:49 AM
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Reversing heart hypertrophy/plaque: Can it be done?

It's very hard to find data on this. Has anyone ever successfully been able to do this? And I'm not talking about LVH here.
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:18 AM
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Not sure how much actual experienced feedback you'll find.

Curcumin, Vitamin K2, Tocotrienols!
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Not sure how much actual experienced feedback you'll find.

Curcumin, Vitamin K2, Tocotrienols!
Don't forget CB
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That's for cholesterol.
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:32 AM
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Yup already taking those and roughly 25 other things lol
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That's for cholesterol.
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Pomegranate juice is supposed to reverse atherosclerotic pla.que
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Arterial Plaque | Nattokinase


Some people say consuming digestive enzymes on an empty stomach "doesn't work" but I have read studies were certain enzymes were used to help heal damaged DNA.

serrapeptase

Also Grape seed extract improves artery and vein function/health.
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How Aging Humans Can Slow and Reverse Atherosclerosis - Life Extension

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NH,

You're thread caught my eye.

But what you will need to do goes against the grain of what our culture
is embedded in. It is not easy and it requires a shift in your mindset.

But yes, it can be done. I did it and so can you.

Become a Vegan. No animal or animal byproducts at all.
Or, eliminate the majority of them.

Will this decrease some muscle mass? Probably.

But what's more important?

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NH,

You're thread caught my eye.

But what you will need to do goes against the grain of what our culture
is embedded in. It is not easy and it requires a shift in your mindset.

But yes, it can be done. I did it and so can you.

Become a Vegan. No animal or animal byproducts at all.
Or, eliminate the majority of them.

Will this decrease some muscle mass? Probably.

But what's more important?

-MT
I have to disagree with this. I think limiting grain intake is the best way to relieve the inflammation of the vascular system due to oxidative damage! Many of the killer diseases, (heart disease, diabetes and even some cancers) we have now are due to the increase in grain consumption.

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Dmso and olive oil may help.
Molecular mechanisms of inflammation. A - PubMed Mobile
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I have to disagree with this. I think limiting grain intake is the best way to relieve the inflammation of the vascular system due to oxidative damage! Many of the killer diseases, (heart disease, diabetes and even some cancers) we have now are due to the increase in grain consumption.
He would then need to also avoid any meat that the animal it came from was fed grains.

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He would then need to also avoid any meat that the animal it came from was fed grains.

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Eating grains and eating animals fed grains are two very different things. With that said, I'd still go with the grass fed beef.
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You definitely want to avoid grain fed beef whos omega 6 to omega 3 ratios are way off which is bad if you are trying to manage inflammation.


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That's for bp tho
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NH,

You're thread caught my eye.

But what you will need to do goes against the grain of what our culture
is embedded in. It is not easy and it requires a shift in your mindset.

But yes, it can be done. I did it and so can you.

Become a Vegan. No animal or animal byproducts at all.
Or, eliminate the majority of them.

Will this decrease some muscle mass? Probably.

But what's more important?

-MT
In my last echo cardiogram, some of my heart measurements were a touch above the normal range. I had surgery 3 months ago and I can't train again until February, so I'm using this time to do whatever I can to possibly reverse this. I'm pretty much set on what I need to do, it's more of a question of is it scientifically possible. It seems like it is, which is good. Otherwise, I will not become a vegan lol as my grass fed beef is a superfood.
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Hey Busa,

I welcome disagreement. I don't claim to know everything about everything.

But if you believe that grain consumption can create inflammation of the vascular system, then every member of this board is doomed.

Some people with GI issues may have inflammation problems from
grain consumption, I get that. But not vascular inflammation.

And who doesn't eat rice, oats, quinoa, Ezekiel, pasta, millet, flax, etc x 1,000?

Remember the OP was asking about plaque buildup.
Plaque buildup is the main culprit to CHD.

Grains in no way, shape or form contribute to plaque buildup.
They are virtually cholesterol free.

They are carbohydrates, so for people who are diabetic, their intake
needs to be monitored because high blood sugar can cause issues
associated with CHD.

Think of this truth. Before many Asian cultures were introduced to animal
consumption before the turn of the century, plaque buildup was essentially
non-existent. People didn't die from CHD in those days and all they ate were
grains.

What hopefully makes sense and some will agree with is that any percent
Vegan is better than no percent Vegan.

We, (me included) are victims of marketing thinking we need 300+ grams of protein ED to grow muscle.

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