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volume markers

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What do you consider low, medium, and high volume? In sets per. week

I do the PHAT routine by Layne Norton, and it is typically called "high volume"

But when I googled and found a chart by mike israetel (who alot seem to follow), the PHAT routine seems like moderate or low volume.

What do you consider to be low, medium, high for say back, Chest, triceps?

I currently do 17 sets for back (split into 2 days), 15 for chest (split over 2 days), and 10 for triceps (same, split into 2 days) and I don't consider this difficult or high volume at all, either moderate or low.
 
I would say you do high volume.
 
Actually after re-reading your set numbers I'd consider you moderate volume. I missed the "over 2 days" part.
 
Yeah that volume is over 2 workouts, basically the PHAT routine is

day 1 - low reps upper body
day 2- low reps heavy lower body
day 3 -off
day 4, back shoulders, hypertrophy higher reps
day 5 legs hypertrophy, higher reps
day 6 chest and arms, hypertrophy higher reps
day 7 off

I read alot online people find this workout hard, to me it is not. Maybe im reading posts by naturals lol
 
This idea of “what is low/high volume” has been discussed to death on here. Tons of threads on it.

JP likes 8-10 total all out sets to failure.
John Meadows likes 15-20 sets. But he counts the feeder, build up sets as volume while Jordan only counts the sets that are true all out failure.

IMO no one can hit 15-20 all out failure sets per workout. If you are, than you are constantly dropping the load.


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Very individual. You ask 10 people. You will get 10 different answers.
 
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I agree with all that the difference to me is that JM counts all sets into his volume and JP only sets too failure . IN defense John Defendis trained very high volume 30-40 sets per bodypart and took all sets too failure . I personally only count sets too failure .
 
John Defendis trained very high volume 30-40 sets per bodypart and took all sets too failure.

I will never believe these claims unless I witness them. Anyone who has trained DC, Fortitude, JP style, Yates style etc knows you can't do that 40 times in a workout every day.
 
Honestly, i do 2 to 3 all out sets per bodypart in one session and then performance massively goes down the river. I dont have the feeling anymore (maybe a few pump sets) help at all.

I do this 2 to 3 times per muscle per week. That's what I consider low volume, but itnis relative because in the whole week it is not really that low.

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It is going to vary as many people have different thoughts on what they consider working sets. It's also important to note that many feel they just completed a 9RPE and it looks more like a 6 or 7 to other trainees. I know Meadows considers failure as reps he can perform without form breakdown. After that, even if he can pound out a couple more "sloppy" reps, he would consider that set taken to failure. Gregg Doucette would consider anything less than beyond failure to not count as a true "set."

With all the above variables, it really is hard to know whether or not your training is high volume. That's why taking notes is quite important and I feel being as detailed as possible can be an important factor in the learning process (which, let's face it, is life-long).
 

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