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Has anyone lowered test dose from 20mg to 10mg per day?

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My hematocrit and hemoglobin continue to be out of control even on 20mg per day of cypionate. No, I do not have Factor V, high platelets, and high WBC. However, I can't stand having a HCT level of 55 on TRT regardless as it leaves me very little room for error in case it goes up from there. I used a baby dose of trest and it went up even more, forcing me into two blood donations within days.

I am convinced my physique will go to shit if I drop my dose in half. My total is 893 and free is 25 on this dose. I don't even know if doing this will address my H/H problem either.

Anyone with personal experience dropping their H/H with a smaller dose of TRT? Did you look any different on top of that? Please speak up.
 
But ya, I have no personal experience with TRT dosing.
 
Ime hematocrit doesn't drop that fast even with lowering doses.

Comparing my hct on a cruise of 150mg test pw vs 125mg e8d it was only 1 point difference (53->52), however rbc and hemo dropped a bit although not alot. This is without blood donation.
 
Just lowering the dose, it takes a long time to come down. At least 3 months.

I do 100 mg/wk now in one shot and end up doing a phlebotomy once every 3 months on average. Emeric's protocol of 10 mg/day seems to not raise H/H and much and guys on here were getting levels as high as 800 on just that. Ive read several of their reports on here of that. I was surprised.

My total test is usually around 850 or so when I have the blood test run about 1 or 2 days after my injection, 100 mg.

I think, going off others' experiences on here, doing 10 mg/day wont be that terribly different for you.
 
Get a whole blood viscosity test.

Hematocrit (and hemoglobin) are only part
of the picture.

Drop to 10mg per day (or as I do, 40mg every
4 days . . . blood test on day 2). And no, your
physique will not go to shit if you drop my dose
in half. Don’t be a scaredy cat ;) Be one of the
brave ones.

I figure, why have a nice (or great) physique
if you are not healthy, at risk for bunch of
nasty shit that is so easily controllable. Kinda
negates the value in my mind.

Hell, look at all (most of?) the posts here about
negative side effects when in fact fixing them is
the biggest no-brainer in the history of mankind
. . . lower the dose or get off the sauce. You
can’t have your cake and eat it too :(
 
Without having to quote everyone...

As far as Emeric goes, I believe he has top 1% bodybuilding genetics whether he agrees or not and I believe I saw his free test was 50 or something insane like that. I think it's a mistake to assume what works for him, works for everyone. That's just my opinion and feel free to disagree and explain why you feel I am wrong about that.


Here were my test numbers this time
total test: 893
free: 25

last time on the same dose
total: 740
free: 22

I think the difference is the timing of the past injection since the dose is the same.

So obviously those are very comfortable numbers to stay on and wouldn't want to lower those. I have to decide if it is worth dropping my dose in half and probably seeing those numbers decrease when I don't even know if it will help lower my H/H

One thought was the lower dose and add 12mg of boron to make up for the free test. However, research indicated free test is the one that raises hematocrit, and I do not know if boron raises it the same way testosterone does.

Decisions. Decisions.
 
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The way I have it setup now, been years this way, I do 100 mg once a week and after 3 months my hemoglobin is back up around 16. We do a phlebotomy and then the next time around in another 3 months it is back up to a bit under 16. So I am able to maintain my hemoglobin between 15 and 16 by getting 1 phlebotomy about every 3 months.

I and my doctors have come to accept that as being the best it gets, and it is a healthy range.

How high has your's gotten? Do you think a phlebotomy once every 3 months will keep yours down to my levels?

It sounds like for you that you are just going to have to accept that youll need to do phlebotomies the rest of your life if you want to stay on exogenous test. I have a feeling that even if you drop down to 10mg/day you might still need it once a year or so. Lower will definitely be more healthy for you.
 
The way I have it setup now, been years this way, I do 100 mg once a week and after 3 months my hemoglobin is back up around 16. We do a phlebotomy and then the next time around in another 3 months it is back up to a bit under 16. So I am able to maintain my hemoglobin between 15 and 16 by getting 1 phlebotomy about every 3 months.

I and my doctors have come to accept that as being the best it gets, and it is a healthy range.

How high has your's gotten? Do you think a phlebotomy once every 3 months will keep yours down to my levels?

It sounds like for you that you are just going to have to accept that youll need to do phlebotomies the rest of your life if you want to stay on exogenous test. I have a feeling that even if you drop down to 10mg/day you might still need it once a year or so. Lower will definitely be more healthy for you.

I think I will have to forever as well, and just stay on ferrous sulfate so my ferritin doesn't tank. Do you just accept a really low ferritin level or do you take ferrous sulfate as well? I have to think all the donations you do lower quite a bit.
 
Without having to quote everyone...

As far as Emeric goes, I believe he has top 1% bodybuilding genetics whether he agrees or not and I believe I saw his free test was 50 or something insane like that. I think it's a mistake to assume what works for him, works for everyone. That's just my opinion and feel free to disagree and explain why you feel I am wrong about that.


Here were my test numbers this time
total test: 893
free: 25

last time on the same dose
total: 740
free: 22

I think the difference is the timing of the past injection since the dose is the same.

So obviously those are very comfortable numbers to stay on and wouldn't want to lower those. I have to decide if it is worth dropping my dose in half and probably seeing those numbers decrease when I don't even know if it will help lower my H/H

One thought was the lower dose and add 12mg of boron to make up for the free test. However, research indicated free test is the one that raises hematocrit, and I do not know if boron raises it the same way testosterone does.

Decisions. Decisions.

Are those figures 24 hours after last pin?

I recently switched to 10mg/day. Im also taking 25mg proviron and 12mg boron (and everything else dante recommends). Im having blood work in 3 weeks and im curious to see where this dose puts me. I feel good and im holding at 250lbs at about 13% bodyfat on 2750 cals a day (50% pro. 30% carb, 20% fat).
 
My hematocrit and hemoglobin continue to be out of control even on 20mg per day of cypionate. No, I do not have Factor V, high platelets, and high WBC. However, I can't stand having a HCT level of 55 on TRT regardless as it leaves me very little room for error in case it goes up from there. I used a baby dose of trest and it went up even more, forcing me into two blood donations within days.

I am convinced my physique will go to shit if I drop my dose in half. My total is 893 and free is 25 on this dose. I don't even know if doing this will address my H/H problem either.

Anyone with personal experience dropping their H/H with a smaller dose of TRT? Did you look any different on top of that? Please speak up.

I ve done it here and there , just to change things up a bit. Like one day I did 20, then next two 10, or 10 mgs for a week , then back to 20.

Ive had bloodwork on 10 mgs a few hours after I gave myself the 10 mgs sub-q shot and test was 240. Im thinking it takes at least a few hours to get into the bloodstream and raise testosterone.
 
Dave Palumbo has noted seeing hematocrit rebounds in guys who donate regularly. If your platelets are good maybe take a break from donating and see if a lower TRT dose and other measures bring it down.
 
Are those figures 24 hours after last pin?

I recently switched to 10mg/day. Im also taking 25mg proviron and 12mg boron (and everything else dante recommends). Im having blood work in 3 weeks and im curious to see where this dose puts me. I feel good and im holding at 250lbs at about 13% bodyfat on 2750 cals a day (50% pro. 30% carb, 20% fat).

No the blood draw was about 3-4 hours after my normal dose this time
 
Mate if you can handle high dht, try scrotum application of T cream if you can get prescription.
 
My hematocrit and hemoglobin continue to be out of control even on 20mg per day of cypionate. No, I do not have Factor V, high platelets, and high WBC. However, I can't stand having a HCT level of 55 on TRT regardless as it leaves me very little room for error in case it goes up from there. I used a baby dose of trest and it went up even more, forcing me into two blood donations within days.

I am convinced my physique will go to shit if I drop my dose in half. My total is 893 and free is 25 on this dose. I don't even know if doing this will address my H/H problem either.

Anyone with personal experience dropping their H/H with a smaller dose of TRT? Did you look any different on top of that? Please speak up.


You need to start donating blood. You can donate every 56 days. My hematocrit levels were at 55 when I started giving a few months ago. I plan on doing bloods after this next donation, and see what it says. I don't think it will be that drastic of a drop, but its a start. Urologist was concerned after recent blood test, and you don't want it to get to 58-60, thats cause for concern, because a stroke can happen. I also take baby aspirin 81mg, ED.
 
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You need to start donating blood. You can donate every 56 days. My hematocrit levels were at 55 when I started giving a few months ago. I plan on doing bloods after this next donation, and see what it says. I don't think it will be that drastic of a drop, but its a start. Urologist was concerned after recent blood test, and you don't want it to get to 58-60, thats cause for concern, because a stroke can happen. I also take baby aspirin 81mg, ED.

He has already donated twice within a few days
 
You need to start donating blood. You can donate every 56 days. My hematocrit levels were at 55 when I started giving a few months ago. I plan on doing bloods after this next donation, and see what it says. I don't think it will be that drastic of a drop, but its a start. Urologist was concerned after recent blood test, and you don't want it to get to 58-60, thats cause for concern, because a stroke can happen. I also take baby aspirin 81mg, ED.

KD I know you're trying to help but you're stating blood donation 101. NH understands all of that.
 
Are those figures 24 hours after last pin?

I recently switched to 10mg/day. Im also taking 25mg proviron and 12mg boron (and everything else dante recommends). Im having blood work in 3 weeks and im curious to see where this dose puts me. I feel good and im holding at 250lbs at about 13% bodyfat on 2750 cals a day (50% pro. 30% carb, 20% fat).

Please come back to this thread and post those results!
 
Don't let the mental addiction get to you brother....I have seen plenty of people maintain their physique on very very low dose test, i.e. 10mg a day and even less than that.

Sounds like you're afraid of losing gains, but you won't if you do things right and you can still maintain your physique on 10mg a day, mark my words. How will you know if you don't even try anyways? It'll be a fun learning experience.

Once you've built a solid physique and been walking around the same size for years and years it actually takes allot of work to lose that muscle. I've seen guys try to lose their muscle for other sports they get into and some have a really hard time getting smaller after they have been big for so long.

Try it out and see for yourself its really no big deal once you see
 

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