First of all, this belongs in the beginners section.
Secondly, you don't need to bump your own thread 30 minutes after posting it.
Thirdly, you could have used the search function.
Lastly, HCG > nolva or clomid for testicular function. Nolva and clomid do not directly stimulate the testes like HCG does, instead they act as estrogen antagonists, which prevent estrogen from sending signals to your HPTA to ramp down testosterone and estrogen production. Since HCG directly stimulates the testes, it is the better choice.
clomid and nolva arent going to ellict much of an LH response while ON (IF ANY).
I would use the hcg at a low dose during to maintain ITT (intra testicular testosterone), and once you come off, run a sliding scale of HCG (dose and exact routine will depend cycle)
But I would do 500iu HCG twice a week while on, then when you come off do this
week 1- HCG 2500iu mon, wed, fri
week 2- hcg 1250iu mon and thurs
week 3- hcg 500iu mon and thur
weeks 1- 7 25-50mg clomid and a low dose AI (maybe 12.5mg aroma 3 x week or some aifm if you want an OTC product)
x2. HCG treats the issue in a way more than just the symptoms that would arise.
this could also be an argument for using clomid over hcg during PCT (not that I am an advocate for PCTs without HCG) as HCG does nothing to restore HPTA function..testical function yes, but not restoring the natural production of testosterone via the secretion of LH from the pituitary.
You could come off AAS, run HCG at 2500iu-3000iu EOD and maintain a normal range of testosterone production the entire time. Yet you will still be shut down.
Hence the protocols that call for HCG transitioning into a SERM. Its really that SERM (clomid/torem etc etc) that helps gets the pituitary back on track.
So are you saying that the HPTA does not need to be recovered to regain fertility?
correct. You just have to supplement for the severely suppressed gonadotropins (LH/FSH)
If youre shooting blanks, and dont want to come off.
Just run this with your cycle until you concieve
2500iu HCG 3 x week
75iu HMG eod (switch to ED dosing if after 4 months your SA comes back very low)
This of course is assuming youre infertile because you have steroid induced secondary hypogonadism (hypogonadotropic hypogonadism), and not a primary hypergonadism (testicular failure)