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JimGainz

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Hi - wanted to get your thoughts on something

I am 50 years old and an experienced athlete/lifter. My natural testosterone levels fluctuate between 500 and 600 ng/dl lately. I recently did a cycle of SARMs and had some great gains – about 7 pounds of lean muscle mass – however it crashed my testosterone and HDL.

I also saw a progressive Doctor who gave me a prescription for Androgel, stating that my testosterone level may be low for me, considering I had some symptoms, even though it was well within the normal range. He suggested getting my testosterone levels to 800-1000 ng/dl.

So now I'm wondering – do I just go on the Andro gel or continue to cycle products every couple of months with a PCT.

My concern is that once I go on the testosterone – I'm sure I will feel fantastic and never come off – so the factory may be shut down for good (not that I'm planning to have any kids at this point).

Anyone in a similar situation that could shed some thoughts?



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Hi - wanted to get your thoughts on something

I am 50 years old and an experienced athlete/lifter. My natural testosterone levels fluctuate between 500 and 600 ng/dl lately. I recently did a cycle of SARMs and had some great gains – about 7 pounds of lean muscle mass – however it crashed my testosterone and HDL.

I also saw a progressive Doctor who gave me a prescription for Androgel, stating that my testosterone level may be low for me, considering I had some symptoms, even though it was well within the normal range. He suggested getting my testosterone levels to 800-1000 ng/dl.

So now I'm wondering – do I just go on the Andro gel or continue to cycle products every couple of months with a PCT.

My concern is that once I go on the testosterone – I'm sure I will feel fantastic and never come off – so the factory may be shut down for good (not that I'm planning to have any kids at this point).

Anyone in a similar situation that could shed some thoughts?



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If I had a testosterone level between 500-600 at 50, I would not touch any Test. Why screw up a good thing?
 
If I had a testosterone level between 500-600 at 50, I would not touch any Test. Why screw up a good thing?

I totally agree. Do your PCT and get that natural production back up.

My concern is that once I go on the testosterone – I'm sure I will feel fantastic and never come off – so the factory may be shut down for good

That's what I would worry about. Might as well keep your natural production going for as long as possible. HRT is always an option if/when your natural levels drop off.

I wonder how many people have T levels in the 500-600 range at 50. Mine were <300 well before I hit 50 (never having touched any anabolics/sarms or anything).
 
Great feedback fellas. Thanks! I'll cycle on until I need the supplemental T


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Hows your lipid profile look like?



Pre cycle lips were great : HDL 97, LDL 77, Total
cholesterol 185, Triglycerides 55

After a Sarms Cycle HDL 35, LDL 80, Total 125 and Tris unchanged.

Everything else was fine Lipid-wise (RBC/Wbc)

I just drew blood Friday and am awaiting the results. I have naturally high HDL which is good but take low-dose Lipitor to keep LDLs under 100 (w/o statins my total cholesterol is 230 and LDL 125)


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Wow statins really fix lipids holy crap . Im running with HDL in the 20's
 
Hi - wanted to get your thoughts on something

I am 50 years old and an experienced athlete/lifter. My natural testosterone levels fluctuate between 500 and 600 ng/dl lately. I recently did a cycle of SARMs and had some great gains – about 7 pounds of lean muscle mass – however it crashed my testosterone and HDL.

I also saw a progressive Doctor who gave me a prescription for Androgel, stating that my testosterone level may be low for me, considering I had some symptoms, even though it was well within the normal range. He suggested getting my testosterone levels to 800-1000 ng/dl.

So now I'm wondering – do I just go on the Andro gel or continue to cycle products every couple of months with a PCT.

My concern is that once I go on the testosterone – I'm sure I will feel fantastic and never come off – so the factory may be shut down for good (not that I'm planning to have any kids at this point).

Anyone in a similar situation that could shed some thoughts?



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i would do like others have said and leave it alone, do you know your free test level? I am your age and my last BW a couple of months ago shows my tt 390 and free t 4.0.
 
i would do like others have said and leave it alone, do you know your free test level? I am your age and my last BW a couple of months ago shows my tt 390 and free t 4.0.



Never had my free testosterone checked, until right after my last cycle of Sarms (which was the first cycle of anything I had done in about 30 years). At that time my free testerone was 35 - at the bottom end of the normal range – but I was severely suppresses by the cycle – as my total T was 100 at that time. (LH and FSH were low normal so I was still producing T). I did a few weeks of Nolvadex for PCT and waited another month and just had bloods drawn last week to assess recovery.


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Wow statins really fix lipids holy crap . Im running with HDL in the 20's



You may want to check into some options. HDL should be over 40 but the real problem is LDL - which needs to be < 100. When LDL his high and total cholesterol is high and HDL is low - this is what increases the risk of plaque. I've heard Crestor is good for raising good HDL. I take 2 grams of high quality fish oil which cut my triglycerides in half to about 55. The Lipitor (20 mg 3x per week) plus fish oil raised my HDL about 20-30 points while lowering LDL 50 points.
 
What sarms did you do, at what dose, and for how long ?

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What sarms did you do, at what dose, and for how long ?

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Funny you ask - because I just got new bloods and was going to post.

I ran Rad140 2.5-5mg for 10 weeks plus Ostarine 12.5mg then bumped to 20 at the end

Pct was Nolvadex 20/20/15/10. With MK677 (12.5 mg / day and I stayed on)

My new bloods 2 months out suck.
Total T 178
HDL 38
These values barley moved since my cycle ended.

Wtf- how long does it take to recover?


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Funny you ask - because I just got new bloods and was going to post.

I ran Rad140 2.5-5mg for 10 weeks plus Ostarine 12.5mg then bumped to 20 at the end

Pct was Nolvadex 20/20/15/10. With MK677 (12.5 mg / day and I stayed on)

My new bloods 2 months out suck.
Total T 178
HDL 38
These values barley moved since my cycle ended.

Wtf- how long does it take to recover?


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Cardarine GW 501516 -- seems to do great to bring HDL back to normal. Run at same time as other SARMS and you don't get the HDL crash


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Cardarine GW 501516 -- seems to do great to bring HDL back to normal. Run at same time as other SARMS and you don't get the HDL crash


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Thanks bro. That's good to know for next time. I wound up doing some hcg and then clomid and it brought everything right back. Seems that the low T caused by the suppressive compounds contributed the low Hdl and cholesterol. Next time I may run them with some Test and/or the cardarine.


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Thanks bro. That's good to know for next time. I wound up doing some hcg and then clomid and it brought everything right back. Seems that the low T caused by the suppressive compounds contributed the low Hdl and cholesterol. Next time I may run them with some Test and/or the cardarine.


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Sure thing. By the way -- I just turned 51 and just started TRT -- taking 200 test cyp / 20 test prop mix each week. Also 500 Hcg / week.


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Sure thing. By the way -- I just turned 51 and just started TRT -- taking 200 test cyp / 20 test prop mix each week. Also 500 Hcg / week.


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Cool. May I ask what your pre-TRT numbers were? How are you feeling with the exogenous T?


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Cool. May I ask what your pre-TRT numbers were? How are you feeling with the exogenous T?


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Before Treatment:
Total T 430
Free T 4.7 (7.2-24). --treated due to sxs and this number. -- I was actually having mental sxs that lead to adult ADHD dx which I now believe was part of low T

After 5 weeks test cyp 100 / week:
Total T 456
Free T 7.2. (7.2-24)
Labs didn't change much and only mild improvement in symptoms.
Suppose I have lots of SHBG binding free T and quick metabolizer

Dose increased to 200 / week, after 5 weeks
Total T 850
Free T 16.9
E2 21.8
Hct 44
Labs perfect. , feel much better---



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