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Yea I mean I don't know whether any of those interact negatively or not. I use a lot too but you definitely use more. Hard for me to tell you to take anything out that I haven't even heard of.
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Again i feel strongly about this:
I dont feel its good to just use supplements for the sake of using supplements that someone posts about on a board and it sounds good so you add it.
I think you need to look at your genetic heritage, and look at the problems of your bloodwork...and you decide with those two factors on what you feel is necessary to take.
You said you have lipid problems...i totally get it and i would set out to improve those lipids and PROVE IT TO YOURSELF with bloodwork that what you are taking improve it.
If you had rampant colon cancer in your family i would totally get it if you really went at that with a multi approach to battling against it.
But again i feel you have to draw a line in the sand and stick with it. And when you draw that line in the sand and you want to add something new....you ABSOLUTELY must subtract something on your list. What you must ask yourself is if you absolutely had to take ONLY 5-7 supps what would those 5-7 supps be? Must haves on your list. Once those are set in stone that will give you a much better ability to get rid of what needs to be 86ed.
I dont feel its good to just use supplements for the sake of using supplements that someone posts about on a board and it sounds good so you add it.
I think you need to look at your genetic heritage, and look at the problems of your bloodwork...and you decide with those two factors on what you feel is necessary to take.
You said you have lipid problems...i totally get it and i would set out to improve those lipids and PROVE IT TO YOURSELF with bloodwork that what you are taking improve it.
If you had rampant colon cancer in your family i would totally get it if you really went at that with a multi approach to battling against it.
But again i feel you have to draw a line in the sand and stick with it. And when you draw that line in the sand and you want to add something new....you ABSOLUTELY must subtract something on your list. What you must ask yourself is if you absolutely had to take ONLY 5-7 supps what would those 5-7 supps be? Must haves on your list. Once those are set in stone that will give you a much better ability to get rid of what needs to be 86ed.
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Don't worry bro, I take about twice as much shit as you do. I just am way too embarassed to post my list(also don't have the time to type all that info).
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wow!! Being around you all day obsessing, finding, counting, swallowing, 20+? pills multiple times a day for some reason of maybe good health, has to be more annoying than being around a fat instagam girl all day checking the mirror and fixing her hair. How about drop have that stuff, not just 2, save some money and eat more REAL FOOD. That is the best place to get your nutrients. You know most of those supps are either underdosed or not even as labeled anyway.
I use about as many supplements myself , although different ones. And find it takes me less then 10 minutes a week to load up my pill box for the week and just grab what I need to take with my meals. I usually go several years at a time without having one day of illness.
You're not alone. There's so many different supplements/medications that one can take for various health issues or as an preventive measure. I've been experimenting with a whole bunch of stuff as well.
What I'm doing now is I'm trying to keep a detail log of how i'm feeling with each combination of supps, meds, etc. Also I've been just writing down templates for BP, cholesterol, energy, etc.
First figure out whats the most pressing issue for you? BP, lipids, heart, etc? Then stick with one that you feel worked the best for you or which ever has the most supporting evidence.
You're taking fish oil + krill. Both isn't bad. But if your joints and blood work has been good just stick one of them.
I personally think out of everything you should definitely keep the Vitamin D, Vitamin K2 (mk-7), and fish oil. Take the metformin a few times a week. Also consider adding in injectable l-carnitine. I take both to help with insulin sensitivity since I also take hgh.
Aside from that I can tell you what I've been taking/experimenting with.
Fish oil (alternate betwen capsules and liquid) - at least 2 caps or 1-3 tsps daily.
Vitamin D3 5000iu + Vitamin K2 (200mcg mk7/400mcg mk4) - these two compliment one another.
Metfomin - 500mg only 3 to 4 times a week.
Niacin: 1g 2 to 3 times a week. To help with my cholesterol a bit especially after a short oral blast.
Then the rest of the stuff I've been experimenting with are injectables for BP, insulin sensitivity, fat loss, pain, energy, etc. These have good literature behind them.
Injectables: I don't take everything below everyday. I make adjustments. But usually I'll just inject a 6ml mix of the water based ones once in the morning or night. arginine i'll take preworkout sometimes.
So heres the list and some of the main reasons I added them.
glutathione - liver health, strong antioxidant.
L-arginine - i added for better overall blood flow
L-carnitine - helps with preventing fat gain + heart health, insulin sensitivity
L-carnosine - endurance, muscle recovery
TMG - strong methyl donor, endurance, oxygen, etc..
Curcumin - joints, pain, estrogen control.
taurine - helps with many things, electrolyte balance
agmatine - pain, potentially lower opiod tolerance.
Coq10 - BP, heart health.
Keep in mind I also have some health issues I'm trying to alleviate. I'm just giving you some ideas.
Lastly, in my opinion if you don't have any outstanding health issues then the stuff below should be adequate to help with overall health with an emphasize for BP, heart, inflammation, and joint health.
Vitamin D, Vitamin K2 (mk7), fish oil, curcumin (longvida because it crosses BBB) injectable is worthwhile as well.
Bonus would be injectable glutathione, l-carnitine, and l-arginine for liver and insulin sensitivity + other benefits.
I didn't include prescribed meds that I take for some of my health issues (baclofen, ultram, etc) cause that will vary for each individual if they some health ailment they are seeing an doctor for.
What I'm doing now is I'm trying to keep a detail log of how i'm feeling with each combination of supps, meds, etc. Also I've been just writing down templates for BP, cholesterol, energy, etc.
First figure out whats the most pressing issue for you? BP, lipids, heart, etc? Then stick with one that you feel worked the best for you or which ever has the most supporting evidence.
You're taking fish oil + krill. Both isn't bad. But if your joints and blood work has been good just stick one of them.
I personally think out of everything you should definitely keep the Vitamin D, Vitamin K2 (mk-7), and fish oil. Take the metformin a few times a week. Also consider adding in injectable l-carnitine. I take both to help with insulin sensitivity since I also take hgh.
Aside from that I can tell you what I've been taking/experimenting with.
Fish oil (alternate betwen capsules and liquid) - at least 2 caps or 1-3 tsps daily.
Vitamin D3 5000iu + Vitamin K2 (200mcg mk7/400mcg mk4) - these two compliment one another.
Metfomin - 500mg only 3 to 4 times a week.
Niacin: 1g 2 to 3 times a week. To help with my cholesterol a bit especially after a short oral blast.
Then the rest of the stuff I've been experimenting with are injectables for BP, insulin sensitivity, fat loss, pain, energy, etc. These have good literature behind them.
Injectables: I don't take everything below everyday. I make adjustments. But usually I'll just inject a 6ml mix of the water based ones once in the morning or night. arginine i'll take preworkout sometimes.
So heres the list and some of the main reasons I added them.
glutathione - liver health, strong antioxidant.
L-arginine - i added for better overall blood flow
L-carnitine - helps with preventing fat gain + heart health, insulin sensitivity
L-carnosine - endurance, muscle recovery
TMG - strong methyl donor, endurance, oxygen, etc..
Curcumin - joints, pain, estrogen control.
taurine - helps with many things, electrolyte balance
agmatine - pain, potentially lower opiod tolerance.
Coq10 - BP, heart health.
Keep in mind I also have some health issues I'm trying to alleviate. I'm just giving you some ideas.
Lastly, in my opinion if you don't have any outstanding health issues then the stuff below should be adequate to help with overall health with an emphasize for BP, heart, inflammation, and joint health.
Vitamin D, Vitamin K2 (mk7), fish oil, curcumin (longvida because it crosses BBB) injectable is worthwhile as well.
Bonus would be injectable glutathione, l-carnitine, and l-arginine for liver and insulin sensitivity + other benefits.
I didn't include prescribed meds that I take for some of my health issues (baclofen, ultram, etc) cause that will vary for each individual if they some health ailment they are seeing an doctor for.
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And you cut stuff out? How do you remember taking all that bro ? I can barely remember taking my aspirin and stand there holding the bottle wondering if I took it today..
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It's not really for us to state what you should get rid off. You know more than us what you think is essential. You have definitely got carried away adding to your list though. Step back and just think what are the core 8 supplements you need and work from there. Looking at your list I will bold a few I think you could probably stop and it not negatively effect you. Have you had your vitamin levels checked through blood work before?
You could also get rid of one of the krill or fish oils. Although if your diet is low in omega 3's then you could keep them in and simply rotate. If your diet is good (far wise) I don't see the need in using both. There are another 10 things you could probably get rid of and your blood work be just as good but you can work on that over time.
You could also get rid of one of the krill or fish oils. Although if your diet is low in omega 3's then you could keep them in and simply rotate. If your diet is good (far wise) I don't see the need in using both. There are another 10 things you could probably get rid of and your blood work be just as good but you can work on that over time.
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holy shit your list made me think about about a research paper-outstanding list and back ground on taking them.
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And I thought I was going overboard by taking One a Day Men's formula TWICE a day 
LOL. G.I.- If taking that many supplements every day makes you happy....then more power to you! There are a lot worse things you could be doing with your money (drinking, rec. drugs, etc.) Last I heard nobody ever robbed houses or car jacked someone so they could get money to buy more COQ10 or fish oil caps....
LOL. G.I.- If taking that many supplements every day makes you happy....then more power to you! There are a lot worse things you could be doing with your money (drinking, rec. drugs, etc.) Last I heard nobody ever robbed houses or car jacked someone so they could get money to buy more COQ10 or fish oil caps....
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While I do agree with you for the most part hogan, the issue therein lies with what is in the "real food"? Unless he grows/raises it he has no clue what's being added to it.
G.I.Bro, is there a specific reason for each and every supplement you take? I know I'm not one of the people you were hoping to chime in, sorry.
If you take it just to take it to be safe, it's probably disposable. I toned mine down a ton lately, just take a multi (Animal Pak), Ubiquinol, Aspirin 81mg, probiotic' ZMA and Vitamin C (I use EAA intra as well)
Sorry I couldn't add more, but I'm in no way learned in this area
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Oh shit i forgot to include u in the ranking mate.
You are right up there in the Grade A supplement whores bracket too but you keep a low profile lol
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Heres my .02
Drop either the LEF Cognitex or PS. Sensoril > both and essentially doing the same thing. Could also drop Vit C dose (sensoril has you covered for cortisol control)
Drop the multi (pry hardly getting absorbed if at all)
Drop Pycnogenol
Drop Vit-B complex
Drop TocoQ10
I like cinnamon but could drop it if using as a supplement (already using Ala and Metformin)
Drop fish oil or the dose
Drop milk thistle (already using NAC and Liv52)
Drop digestive enzymes unless they truly benefit you
Now I say this without knowing anything about you and your bloodwork. But you have a lot of overlapping ingredients that essentially are doing the same thing.
So unless something I named to drop has been shown to improve your bloodwork, I don't see the need.
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IMO, drop:
Armour thyroid T3/T4 (1 grain equates to roughly 25mcg T3) 1 grain
Our bodies adapt to artificial thyroid hormones, and becomes resistant. Let your body do its thing unless you know, from blood work, you need this to bring you to "normal" ranges.
Baby aspirin 81mg
Unless absolutely needed. Elevated RBC/Heme/platelet. If blood work is good, no need to take it and expose your digestive system to it (causes bleeding).
LEF Milk Thistle 1 serving
Seems a bit redundant since you are taking LIV52 and NAC. NAC would be the best to keep vs the other two. NAC coverts to glutathione.
Viva Labs Krill Oil x 3 caps 1875mg
Carlson’s Fish Oil Liquid x3 servings 4800mg
Bit excessive. FDA says max is 2-3000, europe says 5000. High fish oil supplements can thin the blood causing bleeding issues, in certain people, this kinda goes back to the aspirin above.
Armour thyroid T3/T4 (1 grain equates to roughly 25mcg T3) 1 grain
Our bodies adapt to artificial thyroid hormones, and becomes resistant. Let your body do its thing unless you know, from blood work, you need this to bring you to "normal" ranges.
Baby aspirin 81mg
Unless absolutely needed. Elevated RBC/Heme/platelet. If blood work is good, no need to take it and expose your digestive system to it (causes bleeding).
LEF Milk Thistle 1 serving
Seems a bit redundant since you are taking LIV52 and NAC. NAC would be the best to keep vs the other two. NAC coverts to glutathione.
Viva Labs Krill Oil x 3 caps 1875mg
Carlson’s Fish Oil Liquid x3 servings 4800mg
Bit excessive. FDA says max is 2-3000, europe says 5000. High fish oil supplements can thin the blood causing bleeding issues, in certain people, this kinda goes back to the aspirin above.
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I appreciate all the responses, but this is exactly what I'm looking for to help me make some decisions. An educated, intelligent response with sound support. I'm aware of all these issues/downsides but having someone else highlight them helps. Thanks. This was the best feedback so far. So you think even 1 grain of Armour is unwise; you'll just get tolerant anyway and cause inhibition? Do you think it's so far as to be detrimental to health to have very slightly elevated thyroid hormone levels? This item is probably my largest concern in continuing. I'm afraid of the rebound coming off tbh. I'd wait until after summer. I don't even recognize your nick, you should post more!
Also, a lot of people have implied I'm just taking random stuff. I can assure you, I'm highly neurotic and obsessive about this shit. I read about supplemention, sports science and PEDs incessantly. I read a new study probably almost every day. If only I could make a living in these areas I'm naturally interested in rather than ass raping juggernaut insurance companies! There are some strong themes in what I'm taking (I thought obviously). I guess I should have grouped them by purpose. There are general health items, but the other 2 large groupings are heart oriented (specifically cardiomyopathy) and metabolism/glucose disposal/control for the unified goal of optimal body comp. If you take AAS and gh, heart enlargement is practically a certainty. The degree, and it's mitigation, is another thing. It appears in my family so genetic disposition is a concern/risk factor for this nasty habit I have. Some of those choices probably make more sense now. Nothuman recognized a lot of these choices I know.
I really wanted more love from Dante but I know these posts probably get boring. His protocol is close to the same size from what I've seen before. Specifics, science backed reasons on removing or reducing an item are what I find most useful. I've already convinced myself to remove several items and redundancies.
Anyone have a high end multi they are really passionate about?
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