SubQ TRT

[IronSlag]

I've switched from IM 150mg X 2 shots per week, to SQ 150mg over EOD shots.

Here's my readings 48hrs (I missed a shot on purpose) after an SQ shot:

TESTOSTERONE 25.6 nmol/L 7.60 - 31.40
FREE-TESTOSTERONE (CALCULATED) 0.892 nmol/L 0.30 - 1.00
17BETA OESTRADIOL 70.8 pmol/L 0.00 - 191.99
SHBG *13.9 nmol/L 16.00 - 55.00
PROLACTIN *482 mIU/L 86.00 - 324.00

As a comparison, 150mg IM put my test level at about 34.0 nmol/L, free test was also a little higher.

However, using this SQ protocol my prolactin has shot through the roof... Any ideas why? I have major ED right now and I attribute this to the prolactin.

 

[Ashop]

I've switched from IM 150mg X 2 shots per week, to SQ 150mg over EOD shots.

Here's my readings 48hrs (I missed a shot on purpose) after an SQ shot:

TESTOSTERONE 25.6 nmol/L 7.60 - 31.40
FREE-TESTOSTERONE (CALCULATED) 0.892 nmol/L 0.30 - 1.00
17BETA OESTRADIOL 70.8 pmol/L 0.00 - 191.99
SHBG *13.9 nmol/L 16.00 - 55.00
PROLACTIN *482 mIU/L 86.00 - 324.00

As a comparison, 150mg IM put my test level at about 34.0 nmol/L, free test was also a little higher.

However, using this SQ protocol my prolactin has shot through the roof... Any ideas why? I have major ED right now and I attribute this to the prolactin.

Hopefully Emeric will chime in on this one, he's a true expert on the subject. Prolactin going up with subQ use is very odd indeed.

 

[pahlevan]

I've switched from IM 150mg X 2 shots per week, to SQ 150mg over EOD shots.

Here's my readings 48hrs (I missed a shot on purpose) after an SQ shot:

TESTOSTERONE 25.6 nmol/L 7.60 - 31.40
FREE-TESTOSTERONE (CALCULATED) 0.892 nmol/L 0.30 - 1.00
17BETA OESTRADIOL 70.8 pmol/L 0.00 - 191.99
SHBG *13.9 nmol/L 16.00 - 55.00
PROLACTIN *482 mIU/L 86.00 - 324.00

As a comparison, 150mg IM put my test level at about 34.0 nmol/L, free test was also a little higher.

However, using this SQ protocol my prolactin has shot through the roof... Any ideas why? I have major ED right now and I attribute this to the prolactin.

Why Sub Q in the first place, what are the so called advantages?

 

[Kaladryn]

For TRT, I like daily IM with a 30g 1/2"

The small amount of tissue damage is probably good for you.

 

[brutus69]

there's no benefit of subq over im. there just isn't.
anectodal evidence isnt evidence.
you need to go on real trt forums and ask this.
you'll get advice from actual trt users.

 

[OutToLunch]

there's no benefit of subq over im. there just isn't.

anectodal evidence isnt evidence.

you need to go on real trt forums and ask this.

you'll get advice from actual trt users.

Dr. Crisler don’t count?

 

[11111]

The small amount of tissue damage is probably good for you.

kaladryn, what do you mean by this?

 

[buck]

there's no benefit of subq over im. there just isn't.
anectodal evidence isnt evidence.
you need to go on real trt forums and ask this.
you'll get advice from actual trt users.

Well after using both ways for years I go with Sub-Q. Every study I have seen show that it is absorbed just as well as IM. And I can only conclude that damaging less tissue means less repair and less work for the body which can be used else where, even though that really doesn't amount to much. Course there are no studies showing IM is better so an argument that it is superior is moot as well.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28379417

 

[IronSlag]

Well after using both ways for years I go with Sub-Q. Every study I have seen show that it is absorbed just as well as IM. And I can only conclude that damaging less tissue means less repair and less work for the body which can be used else where, even though that really doesn't amount to much. Course there are no studies showing IM is better so an argument that it is superior is moot as well.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28379417

I like SQ and will continue with it for the forseeable future, I just can't understand why it's spiked prolactin so much. Annoying since it gives me considerable ED.

 

[saffire]

I've switched from IM 150mg X 2 shots per week, to SQ 150mg over EOD shots.

Here's my readings 48hrs (I missed a shot on purpose) after an SQ shot:

TESTOSTERONE 25.6 nmol/L 7.60 - 31.40
FREE-TESTOSTERONE (CALCULATED) 0.892 nmol/L 0.30 - 1.00
17BETA OESTRADIOL 70.8 pmol/L 0.00 - 191.99
SHBG *13.9 nmol/L 16.00 - 55.00
PROLACTIN *482 mIU/L 86.00 - 324.00

As a comparison, 150mg IM put my test level at about 34.0 nmol/L, free test was also a little higher.

However, using this SQ protocol my prolactin has shot through the roof... Any ideas why? I have major ED right now and I attribute this to the prolactin.

do you using any ai's?

 

[IronSlag]

do you using any ai's?

Nope, no AIs, although i'm now taking cabergoline at 0.25mg twice per week.

 

[TRENBLAST]

IM IS THE BEST WAY

 

[trenboloninha]

think IM is the best way ...

 

[Landmonster]

I can't say for certain on this.

I believe there were members here in the past who tried TRT both ways on their own bodies (IM vs SubQ), and the IM method resulted in higher Testosterone.

There may have been other variables though.

 

[Rogue]

Why not both?? Im and SUB Q?
I switch it up 3 like this and 4 like that/week. I get the benefits of both a quicker an slower dispersion.

 

[Thebigone]

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...cle-forum/139996-everyday-im-trt-results.html

 

[Freedom15Muscle]

I've done bloods on sub q and tested well. This was trt of course as I would assume doing multiple micro injections would get annoying. The knots post injection aren't fun either. IM is more effective for large doses, but I don't see anything wrong with sub q. Takes longer to break down in fatty tissue but the end result should be the same. I'd just do what works for you. It would be interesting to monitor both individually over a said period of time. Still to many other variables that could effect bloods .. sleep, stress, micro nutrient intake, or diet as a whole.

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[MRX MRX]

Didn't like subq or EOD shots
Back to IM 2x weekly and feel much better

 

[tacoman]

With studies 100mg sub q produced estrodiol levels higher to the 200mg im.

With my own bloods sub q did not seem to produce as high levels as im for test and made estrogen slightly higher. I go shallow im nowadays still ed.

sub q though makes you feel perhaps better, which could be attributed that it raises dht more than im

 

[Freedom15Muscle]

Well I'll agree daily IM is the way to go. That's what I mainly stick to. Bloods always come back optimum.

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