Those who do SubQ Test and have gotten bloodwork please post here..

[NEMSZ]

Hey bros, I know there’s been several guys who’ve done this method with bloodwork but with results all over this forum, I just wanted one thread with results to gauge if it’s worth doing for me...

I’ve seen a couple guys post in Emeric’s thread and others in the sponsor section and others in their own threads over time but it’s a lot to go back through..

So if you use or have used this method, please post your dosage and blood levels...

For some reason I feel like one would need more MG in a total weekly SUBQ injection than if Intramuscular was used... For whatever reason only the guys getting like 400 total T using this method stick out to me with the exception of Emeric...

 

[buzzbomb138]

dont got an actual printout to post but i did this method for 5 yrs and 140mg/wk of UGL test had me at ~650ng/dl. i dont have any IM TRT bloodwork to compare it against to what an equivalent dose IM would put me at but i was satisfied with my results with it.

 

[DrBeefcake777]

So question, I know many on HRT doses do this, is it said to potentially get higher test levels this way? I always assumed it was just easier and you could pin with a smaller needle and not lose that .1 or whatever you font get with a traditional 3CC syringe? Interested in this... adding to watch list

 

[repmks]

I have played with subcutaneous shots extensively. You won't need more mg per week. It might take a bit longer to reach optimal levels but your body is going to use it all. You're literally going to feel the oil in each spot for a few days until it the body processes it. The up side is that your levels won't drop as much between shots but they won't spike for that magic number you want on a blood test either. Also a good way to avoid getting scar tissue from pinning.

It works just as well as IM shots, I haven't done it in a while because my wife notices where I put it subq.

 

[Crazy_jay]

When I first started cruising, I did 250mg/week split 2x sub q in my stomach. After 6 weeks, my total t was 500.

 

[NEMSZ]

dont got an actual printout to post but i did this method for 5 yrs and 140mg/wk of UGL test had me at ~650ng/dl. i dont have any IM TRT bloodwork to compare it against to what an equivalent dose IM would put me at but i was satisfied with my results with it.

Yea that’s the thing that gives a better idea, having the comparison of IM to SubQ.. I know for me 120mg/week or 30mg EOD IM put me at 952ng/dl.. So I know the way an individual metabolizes Test in general comes into play.. So for me I wouldn’t be too thrilled with a 650 at a slightly higher dose lol...

 

[NEMSZ]

When I first started cruising, I did 250mg/week split 2x sub q in my stomach. After 6 weeks, my total t was 500.

Now with this dosage, how a person metabolizes Test shouldn’t come into play that much.. 250mg is enough to put almost anyone into beyond the high range, 500 total T with 250mg per week wouldn’t sit well with me..

Were you using UGL or Pharma? Could it have been super underdosed?

 

[Swifto]

TE 12.5mg/ED, SQ, No AE. HGH 4iu/ED.

600ng/dl.

E high at 195 pmol/L

 

[Kaladryn]

Several things:

1. Your levels will be the same subQ or IM

2. Some people might metabolize test at slightly different rates than others, this effect is negated if you dose daily because testosterone works ideally as a pulsatile hormone with a daily spike.

3. When you do bloodwork for testosterone, you want to test at your PEAK, for daily dosing, this means ~12 hours after injection, if you test 24 hours after injection, you will get 400-500 value instead of 600-700.

4. My current doctor is an HRT specialist and he has many patients do subQ and notices no difference. I have gone back and forth between subQ and IM with daily dosing, 2x/week dosing, and 3x/week dosing over the last 15 years. I notice no difference except shorter peak times with daily dosing (see #3) and higher free and total test levels with daily dosing on much lower amounts.

 

[buck]

IM injection would be 1100 2 days after the shot and around 450 the day of the next injection at 100mg/week.
100mg/week divided among 7 sub-q shots 800 all week long.
E2 levels mostly the same on either.

 

[jcc80]

25 mg daily subq on UG test here. Blood drawn 24hr after last pin.

Total 1471.
Free 317pg/ml
Bioavailable 625

 

[NEMSZ]

Several things:

1. Your levels will be the same subQ or IM

2. Some people might metabolize test at slightly different rates than others, this effect is negated if you dose daily because testosterone works ideally as a pulsatile hormone with a daily spike.

3. When you do bloodwork for testosterone, you want to test at your PEAK, for daily dosing, this means ~12 hours after injection, if you test 24 hours after injection, you will get 400-500 value instead of 600-700.

4. My current doctor is an HRT specialist and he has many patients do subQ and notices no difference. I have gone back and forth between subQ and IM with daily dosing, 2x/week dosing, and 3x/week dosing over the last 15 years. I notice no difference except shorter peak times with daily dosing (see #3) and higher free and total test levels with daily dosing on much lower amounts.

Damn, I guess it’s all for me it’s a mental thing I guess lol I don’t know why I feel SubQ means less effective ...

But thanks for the info, I know I’ll ultimately have to get my bloods drawn with a SubQ protocol and gauge myself that way... Just wanted some first hand experience and comparisons..

Do you notice any kind of increase in Hemoglobin and Hematocrit from increased injection frequency vs once or twice a week injections?

 

[NEMSZ]

IM injection would be 1100 2 days after the shot and around 450 the day of the next injection at 100mg/week.
100mg/week divided among 7 sub-q shots 800 all week long.
E2 levels mostly the same on either.

25 mg daily subq on UG test here. Blood drawn 24hr after last pin.

Total 1471.
Free 317pg/ml
Bioavailable 625

Damn some really good numbers right here... I’m hoping I can get around the same numbers as you Buck for my TRT and the same numbers as JCC when I “blast” which isn’t often but for the once or twice a year I raise my dose that would be cool lol..

 

[KillerStack]

testosterone works ideally as a pulsatile hormone with a daily spike.

What if you did say 4mg TNE and 6mg of Enanthate every morning to make it more pulsatile?

 

[emeric delczeg]

25 mg daily subq on UG test here. Blood drawn 24hr after last pin.

Total 1471.
Free 317pg/ml
Bioavailable 625

Your total is to high.

 

[Kaladryn]

Do you notice any kind of increase in Hemoglobin and Hematocrit from increased injection frequency vs once or twice a week injections?

Much lower crit from 10mg/day but this can be attributed to the low weekly total as well and the fact that there is never a huge spike.

 

[Goody]

40mgs 3 times a week Subq rx cyp. puts me in 1010-1050 range And estro in low 40’s

 

[Crazy_jay]

Now with this dosage, how a person metabolizes Test shouldn’t come into play that much.. 250mg is enough to put almost anyone into beyond the high range, 500 total T with 250mg per week wouldn’t sit well with me..

Were you using UGL or Pharma? Could it have been super underdosed?

Ugl. That same test, same vial, pinned i.m. at 500mg/week put me 2400s. Bloodwork always 3 days post pin. Test levels 5-6x dose is typical for me. It's possible test levels hadn't peaked yet but thought 6 weeks was enough time for sub q.

 

[camy9000]

What if you did say 4mg TNE and 6mg of Enanthate every morning to make it more pulsatile?

6mg enanthate and 4mg prop would be good too

 

[SlickNYC]

Your total is to high.

Let me ask you this. You say his total is too high He’s not on a very high dose of test and nothing compared to what pro bbers do. I believe you that’s it’s too high but does optimal muscle growth occur at that lower level? Or are you just saying it’s too high - it will mess up your functionality. Thx