Fat acceptance, body positivity movement

[Bleed]

What kind of person do you think reads cosmo? This is for them. If they aren't as fat as what is on the cover, they're probably still objectively fat, and this is just showing them they are fine the way they are because even if you are objectively obese, this is whats acceptable.

This is a product of capitalism. This is making money. Theres a market for for this so it exists.

The problem I have with it is when people actively declare unhealthy things to be healthy, like Cosmo did earlier this year. This is the real cover of their February 2021 issue.

 

[FrancisK]

being lazy won't make you fat if you don't overeat

The reverse is also true, I like food I eat like an animal but I'm sure as shit not obese....

 

[dantes]

I would normally agree with this but... its putting a strain on the healthcare system which affects us all. Further, I see WAY to many obese children and that is the parents fault for continuing their lifestyel through their children. An obese 8 year old cannot go out and buy all his meals. Its the parents which perpetuates the mental disease. This new body positivity movement has taken a good concept too far IMO. No we don't all need to be thin models as women or jacked dudes as men. Accepting obesity though is a different issue all together.

I totally agree a fat adult is one thing but a fat child is depressing to see as I know that child has very real mental issues aside from the physical as a result of their weight. It really is the parents fault for the food they buy and lifestyle they promote.
Also the whole genetic component of obesity is so overstated. If it’s genetics why were people not fat a few generations ago? Genetics have not changed in two generations

 

[qbkilla]

I totally agree a fat adult is one thing but a fat child is depressing to see as I know that child has very real mental issues aside from the physical as a result of their weight. It really is the parents fault for the food they buy and lifestyle they promote.
Also the whole genetic component of obesity is so overstated. If it’s genetics why were people not fat a few generations ago? Genetics have not changed in two generations

Could this be because darwinism is no longer relevant due to medicine, technology and entitlement programs? These advancements have allowed people with less desirable traits ( not healthy, lazy, not able to support a family or survive on their own) able to survive with no effort, live a long life, and pass on their genetics.

Just a theory.

Also someone touched on feeders who get off on enabling their partners to fatten up and worsen themselves. I wonder if this is similar psychology to people that always offer dieters treats, food, etc ..." I made brownies, what you don't want one because your on a diet? They won't hurt you, you don't need to loose weight?"

I've heard them referred to as diet sabatours too. People that constantly offer you food time and time again when they know you will reject it. Do they really think they are being polite or are they trying to fuck with you? Not taking about someone unaware you diet hard but the co worker or neighbor who know your eating habits and try to sway you into eating junk like them.

Lol

 

[N.L....M.....]

I totally agree a fat adult is one thing but a fat child is depressing to see as I know that child has very real mental issues aside from the physical as a result of their weight. It really is the parents fault for the food they buy and lifestyle they promote.
Also the whole genetic component of obesity is so overstated. If it’s genetics why were people not fat a few generations ago? Genetics have not changed in two generations

Genetics don’t make people fat, over consumption of calories do. I don’t know how many obese people I’ve heard say they don’t eat enough to lose fat, they have hormonal issues, or the bread, or some other food is the reason they’re fat. It’s nothing more than a lack of education. It’s simply cico. The body can not make something from nothing. Hell even Dr. Serrano claimed to have an obese patient who was eating like 400 or 600 calories a day and not losing weight. This is simply retarded. We have Drs and “experts” who espouse these same bullshit beliefs. It’s an education problem at the highest level.

 

[USMuscle9403]

Could this be because darwinism is no longer relevant due to medicine, technology and entitlement programs? These advancements have allowed people with less desirable traits ( not healthy, lazy, not able to support a family or survive on their own) able to survive with no effort, live a long life, and pass on their genetics.

Just a theory.

Also someone touched on feeders who get off on enabling their partners to fatten up and worsen themselves. I wonder if this is similar psychology to people that always offer dieters treats, food, etc ..." I made brownies, what you don't want one because your on a diet? They won't hurt you, you don't need to loose weight?"

I've heard them referred to as diet sabatours too. People that constantly offer you food time and time again when they know you will reject it. Do they really think they are being polite or are they trying to fuck with you? Not taking about someone unaware you diet hard but the co worker or neighbor who know your eating habits and try to sway you into eating junk like them.

Lol

There are absolutely diet saboteurs, maybe even most people. They're the fat ass eating a cheeseburger and fries every day for lunch but say you shouldn't be eating those eggs, they're bad for you. I actually deal with this shit all the time, which is why I prefer eating alone

When people see you have willpower, they project their lack of it on you. They want to see you eat those donuts so they don't feel so bad

 

[dantes]

There are absolutely diet saboteurs, maybe even most people. They're the fat ass eating a cheeseburger and fries every day for lunch but say you shouldn't be eating those eggs, they're bad for you. I actually deal with this shit all the time, which is why I prefer eating alone

When people see you have willpower, they project their lack of it on you. They want to see you eat those donuts so they don't feel so bad

I used to work with a woman who told me eating so much meat was unhealthy due to the carcinogens. She smoked a pack a day...

 

[Kaladryn]

Fat isn't necessarily unhealthy, you can be fat and healthy as horse, workout, great cardio shape, just fat, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Unhealthy, even if you aren't fat, is bad.

 

[maldorf]

There are absolutely diet saboteurs, maybe even most people. They're the fat ass eating a cheeseburger and fries every day for lunch but say you shouldn't be eating those eggs, they're bad for you. I actually deal with this shit all the time, which is why I prefer eating alone

When people see you have willpower, they project their lack of it on you. They want to see you eat those donuts so they don't feel so bad

Yeah, the other teachers used to make fun of me in the lounge during lunch.

 

[maldorf]

Fat isn't necessarily unhealthy, you can be fat and healthy as horse, workout, great cardio shape, just fat, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Unhealthy, even if you aren't fat, is bad.

Well, there is a limit to how fat for each person. In general though, its the people with the lowest BMI that live the longest. Its why life insurance goes up fast with higher BMIs. Some people would like to start charging more on health insurance if you have a high BMI.

 

[Mr. Malice]

I used to work with a woman who told me eating so much meat was unhealthy due to the carcinogens. She smoked a pack a day...

you have to wonder if these people are just high quality trolls

 

[USMuscle9403]

you have to wonder if these people are just high quality trolls

No, just high quality dumbass

There's no helping some, they're so deluded

 

[N.L....M.....]

No, just high quality dumbass

There's no helping some, they're so deluded

I don’t really think they’re all dumb per se. I know some very intelligent people who believe some things that are nonsense. There’s just so much information it’s hard to sift through especially when you have people that are supposed to be experts or a trusted source espousing misinterpreted or bad studies or flat out wrong ideas. Critical thinking is a skill that needs to be exercised. You have charlatans like Dr Oz and countless others who speak with authority that sound convincing.

 

[pheenix]

Before covid, i would go to the local mall and be shocked how many truly obese ( not fat) fkn obese men and woman there were. That dont include how their young children were basically the same. Dont look good for the future

 

[Bleed]

I couldnt agree more. The amount of money the sugar lobby threw into making fat "fat" is why people are as misinformed today as they are.

The reason why this is even an issue is because of lobbying. Who would have thought? I linked one vid but theres a dozen good ones on youtube right now.

I don’t really think they’re all dumb per se. I know some very intelligent people who believe some things that are nonsense. There’s just so much information it’s hard to sift through especially when you have people that are supposed to be experts or a trusted source espousing misinterpreted or bad studies or flat out wrong ideas. Critical thinking is a skill that needs to be exercised. You have charlatans like Dr Oz and countless others who speak with authority that sound convincing.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Throughout history, perceptions as to what is beautiful or desirable has always changed over time. Only in the latter half of the 20th century did we become fixated on weight (probably a combination of health reasons and general fashion). But deprivation of food prior to the last 50-60 years was almost unheard of. From prehistoric times to ancient to renaissance, in art from those time periods, women are not thin. Not by a long shot. Even Maryln Monroe was quite chunky IMO. The images below from ancient to modern - all "full-figured" spanning over 3,000 years. Also, if you find the bottom-most modern figure below gross, you may not want to make decisions for the rest of us bc you may likely be gay.

But seriously, let's not confuse desirability with health. Healthy CAN be beautiful but beautiful is rarely healthy to wit, this board. We try to keep our obsessions and fixations as healthy as we can but we rarely succeed. From twiggy models, anorexic, BBers, bigorexic, bulimic, oral fixations, food addictions, even needle fetishes.... as to where health comes into all of this, is going to be different for everyone but do we really and truly care or is it just a window dressing? I'm sure many here are very healthy but this isn't health and fitness .com , this is professional muscle. Muscle which, all too often, is paramount to any health or reproductive ability.

 

[N.L....M.....]

Throughout history, perceptions as to what is beautiful or desirable has always changed over time. Only in the latter half of the 20th century did we become fixated on weight (probably a combination of health reasons and general fashion). But deprivation of food prior to the last 50-60 years was almost unheard of. From prehistoric times to ancient to renaissance, in art from those time periods, women are not thin. Not by a long shot. Even Maryln Monroe was quite chunky IMO. The images below from ancient to modern - all "full-figured" spanning over 3,000 years. Also, if you find the bottom-most modern figure below gross, you may not want to make decisions for the rest of us bc you may likely be gay.

But seriously, let's not confuse desirability with health. Healthy CAN be beautiful but beautiful is rarely healthy to wit, this board. We try to keep our obsessions and fixations as healthy as we can but we rarely succeed. From twiggy models, anorexic, BBers, bigorexic, bulimic, oral fixations, food addictions, even needle fetishes.... as to where health comes into all of this, is going to be different for everyone but do we really and truly care or is it just a window dressing? I'm sure many here are very healthy but this isn't health and fitness .com , this is professional muscle. Muscle which, all too often, is paramount to any health or reproductive ability.

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Who is that model?

 

[maldorf]

Marilyn's original picture that started it all. Certainly not "thick", but not twiggy like so many models during recent decades.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Marilyn's original picture that started it all. Certainly not "thick", but not twiggy like so many models during recent decades.

Gorgeous. Wow. That was a playboy pic if I remember.

 

[N.L....M.....]

I'm not sure. I just googled full-figured model. The photo impressed me because she was attractive and anything but thin. How fit is she? I have no idea. But definitely my kinda gal. **broken link removed**

Fit enough for me lol