@Needmassquick I tried to reply to your post linking the study, but the board wouldn't let me reply for whatever reason. Thanks for bringing that case study to the board's attention. It's always good to hear hopeful news, and to know that a protocol (in this case, a very aggressive protocol) worked for someone. Theoretically, it shouldn't have worked so fast, but in reality it did, so I am very happy for that bodybuilder, whoever he is.
Since you mentioned me by name, I will just say I have actually read that case study before, but I didn't bring it up for a few reasons, mostly because of n=1. It's just one guy back in 2003, and he had a fantastic response to a very aggressive protocol, despite starting out azoospermatic (zero sperm.) Maybe he would have been a hyper-responder to any protocol, who knows? In a perfect world, we would all be so lucky.
While I am happy for that one guy, you also hear from guys on the board who self-reportedly fathered children while having been on Tren and Deca cycles for years, and they were never shut down. And unfortunately you hear from guys who have tried HCG and HMG and FSH and everything else, but still they remained shut down and nothing worked for them. So it's hard to draw conclusions from any one man.
We are all individuals and respond in different ways to different drugs. Some guys seem to be bulletproof, and can maintain or regain their fertility no matter what happens. Sadly, most of us are not so lucky. Some guys have pre-existing fertility issues, and will never produce enough sperm of good enough quality to father a child. Happily, most of us are not so unlucky.
He had also been (self-reportedly) off steroids for one year, which is a good cleaning-out period. Most guys can't expect to just go off steroids, and then be back to normal in three months, regardless of what protocol they use.
So while this case study, and the example of this one guy, gives people hope, you don't want to give guys unrealistic expectations either. He was a hyper-responder, some guys are non-responders, most of the rest of us are on a spectrum somewhere in the middle.
But you never know how it will turn out for you until you try. So always try.
What I find hard to comprehend about this study is that the doctors started an excellent protocol for this guy, saw that it was working after one month, saw that he was within normal levels after three months. And then they stopped the protocol, which blows my mind.
Why not continue the protocol until the guy had fathered a child with his wife, which was his goal? Why stop when he had just reached normal levels, but his wife wasn't pregnant yet?
That's the problem with many doctors, and the medical system in general. Their goal is just to get you to what they define as "within the normal range", not to actually make you better or achieve your own goals, happiness, or self-actualization. But I digress, and that's a topic for a different discussion.
Anyway, I am happy for this one bodybuilder, and I hope that others can learn from his protocol and go on to their own success stories. It helps us all to keep hope alive.
Sometimes a little hope is all you need.
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along with 75iu HMG daily. Fascinating they report no increase in testicle size either, despite him starting with very small testicles to start.
I jest...
