He shows flashes I agree… But in the larger picture he hasn’t been reliable for either the Bucs or my Saints. I’m hoping that changes, but I’m also a realist too!Jameis Winston is a player I like. Lots of potential - still young. Huge arm.
Baker and Winston both are bottom 5 NFL starters, just a guy no one that can elevate your team.Baker.
#1 - NEEDS a top ten starting offensive line
#2 - HAVE one decent receiver, and two elite
He’ll have a decent shot IF he can land somewhere like that. He also needs to humble himself, and be willing to learn. This experience here where he’s in limbo should do just that. He’s not as good as he thinks he is! He’s young still and needs to mature.
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I agree on Odell but not on baker. Odell is a Sissy, looks and acts like one.I honestly have no problem with Baker.
We all have to remember that he has had what, 3 NFL coaches and 4 offensive coordinators since he was drafted.
New scheme after new scheme. And this year he played with a bum shoulder. When he has been healthy (2020) he was a 30 TD 9INT starting QB fora playoff team. I honestly think the OBJ drama is the reason for his bad rep. And honestly, LBJ is a shell of his former Giant self. His last yeas on the Giants were blah, this Browns time was blah too, and he was getting wide open looks in LA because of Cooper. Nothing to do with Baker at all. That Browns offense was a play action offense and if anything, he probably gambled a little bit too much. He has Brett Favre-like tendancies. Throws that amazing you and picks that confuse you. Cleveland management fucked that situation too by bringing Watson in. Any startng QB would be pissed.
I would continue to bet on Baker until he has shown negative seasons as a starting QB fully healthy.
Let's remember that Baker went to the Browns when they were a 1 win team...now they are a middle of the pack 7-10 win team and we are complainng that they aren't better. It's like being angry at 2000s Lions QBs.....its the entire organization, not just 1 draft pick.
Jameis is another story. He just doesnt see certain things until its too late. And that is the worst trait to have as an NFL QB. WAyyyyy too many balls that he just throws up as a hail mary type play.
Top 15 (some top 10) in every major QB stat worth noting (QBR, Passer Rating, RAW)Bakers best year 2020 he didn't put up 30td, looking at the stats he was the 18th best QB, 15th if we Chery pick the best categories stat wise that he had.
Agree on Herbie and burrow. Agree to disagree on baker lol.Baker put up 30 & 9 in 17 games in 2020. Stats are always adjusted with playoff numbers.
Top 15 (some top 10) in every major QB stat worth noting (QBR, Passer Rating, RAW)
Agree to disagree.
The best version of Baker is a Cousins.
Except he's more of a risk-taker than Cousins is (which can be looked at as a good or bad thing).
I just cant write off a QB after 1 organization. If its a TREND, then I get it.
If you suck at your second place, you run out of chances. Darnold is at that point right now. Just not good enough for 2 diff franchises and no other spot is going to want to take a chance on him.
My favorite new guy is Herbert tho. Feel like he has all the tools to be great. Chargers just need to get over the damn hump lol
Also a big Burrow fan.
As someone who is a life long Browns fan ( miserable i know ) I always will root for Baker. I loved his swag when he came on this garbage team and helped them turn things around. The issue with the OBJ situation was alarming though. I was not a OBJ fan at all but not one teammate came to Bakers defense after that incident. In fact, the majority of the team supported Beckham and wanted him back. I dont know what happened but Mayfield lost the lockerroom and the front office/coaching staff at some point last year.I honestly have no problem with Baker.
We all have to remember that he has had what, 3 NFL coaches and 4 offensive coordinators since he was drafted.
New scheme after new scheme. And this year he played with a bum shoulder. When he has been healthy (2020) he was a 30 TD 9INT starting QB fora playoff team. I honestly think the OBJ drama is the reason for his bad rep. And honestly, LBJ is a shell of his former Giant self. His last yeas on the Giants were blah, this Browns time was blah too, and he was getting wide open looks in LA because of Cooper. Nothing to do with Baker at all. That Browns offense was a play action offense and if anything, he probably gambled a little bit too much. He has Brett Favre-like tendancies. Throws that amazing you and picks that confuse you. Cleveland management fucked that situation too by bringing Watson in. Any startng QB would be pissed.
I would continue to bet on Baker until he has shown negative seasons as a starting QB fully healthy.
Let's remember that Baker went to the Browns when they were a 1 win team...now they are a middle of the pack 7-10 win team and we are complainng that they aren't better. It's like being angry at 2000s Lions QBs.....its the entire organization, not just 1 draft pick.
Jameis is another story. He just doesnt see certain things until its too late. And that is the worst trait to have as an NFL QB. WAyyyyy too many balls that he just throws up as a hail mary type play.
Y’all just need Bernie Kosar back! HaHa… Think that was the last time they were considered competitive. Maybe Vinny Testaverde too.As someone who is a life long Browns fan ( miserable i know ) I always will root for Baker. I loved his swag when he came on this garbage team and helped them turn things around. The issue with the OBJ situation was alarming though. I was not a OBJ fan at all but not one teammate came to Bakers defense after that incident. In fact, the majority of the team supported Beckham and wanted him back. I dont know what happened but Mayfield lost the lockerroom and the front office/coaching staff at some point last year.
Pretty much, baker just has the look of a beta in a job your need an alpha. But they wanted an adult at qb so now they have a guy who can buy a hooker every right of the week but chooses to molest massage therapists and jerk off in towels while they massage him and was stupid enough to get busted, atlesst this child can play.lol when i was up in ohio browns fans cracked me up, they loved them some baker and i told them every single time hes not "that dude." If they come up short in a game it will ALWAYS be because of him. I can't stand the dude honestly maybe its the football player in me. He blame deflects to the media and always plays the victim. If you know a guy is not "the guy" and literally has no more potential than what he has shown then its time to get rid of him. Hence jimmy G. As a niners fan that dude has reached his ceiling and there is absolutely no other that he will do to get better. Lol baker is the same. Hes an avg qb at best and if he was anything more teams would have lined up for him.
I'm an admitted what time would call "baker hater" which to me just means I think he sucks lol.The Baker ~ Dalton comparison is a good/fair one.
Both are decent and can be starters on at least 30% of NFL teams.
Both have their limitations but with a studly supporting cast, will do their part to get it done.
Both took garbage franchises and turned them around in their rookie seasons / early years and took their teams to the playoffs.
Both are inconsistent. They look great in some games and just plain awful in others.
My opinion …..
Both were very unfairly unappreciated (and crucified at times); by the majority of the fan base with utterly insane expectations. They were also scapegoated for every loss and rarely given credit for the wins.
QB’ing in Cincy and Cleveland are not for the faint of heart. These franchises and fans are desperate for a SB win and tired of being embarrassed.
I don't think the Browns "made a deal with the devil." I think it's rather obvious that Deshaun was having consensual sex with random IG models who advertised themselves as "massage therapists", who were approached by a shady lawyer and told they could get millions if they turned the scenario into assault. Deshaun was stupid, but not necessarily "evil."Pretty much, baker just has the look of a beta in a job your need an alpha. But they wanted an adult at qb so now they have a guy who can buy a hooker every right of the week but chooses to molest massage therapists and jerk off in towels while they massage him and was stupid enough to get busted, atlesst this child can play.
I can't blame the browns you need a QB to win but they made a deal with the devil, hopefully it doesn't work out and the misery continues.
Tbh, the Bengals are leaps and bounds ahead of ravens, browns, Steelers, they should own that division for the foreseeable future.
I dunno all the details and evidence I've seen points to it as they were legit therapists and he was a pervert with a fetish, texts, money exchange, not him hooking up on ig. His mom also wanted him away from Hopkins because he was a bad influence on him hence why O'Brien gave away Hopkins, something to do with Watsons mother reaching out to McNair's wife as she was worried about him. Then Watson got involved with an agent and not to get it into politics but the agent has an agenda and made demands that have to do with race.I don't think the Browns "made a deal with the devil." I think it's rather obvious that Deshaun was having consensual sex with random IG models who advertised themselves as "massage therapists", who were approached by a shady lawyer and told they could get millions if they turned the scenario into assault. Deshaun was stupid, but not necessarily "evil."
I think the Browns were actually fairly shrewd. They had no chance of getting an elite QB, so they went ahead and just did a fully guaranteed deal and made it happen. In the long run I think this deal makes the Browns a better franchise, or at the least, gives them a chance to be one.
There is a massive difference between Jimmy G and Baker.lol when i was up in ohio browns fans cracked me up, they loved them some baker and i told them every single time hes not "that dude." If they come up short in a game it will ALWAYS be because of him. I can't stand the dude honestly maybe its the football player in me. He blame deflects to the media and always plays the victim. If you know a guy is not "the guy" and literally has no more potential than what he has shown then its time to get rid of him. Hence jimmy G. As a niners fan that dude has reached his ceiling and there is absolutely no other that he will do to get better. Lol baker is the same. Hes an avg qb at best and if he was anything more teams would have lined up for him.
I don't think the Browns "made a deal with the devil." I think it's rather obvious that Deshaun was having consensual sex with random IG models who advertised themselves as "massage therapists", who were approached by a shady lawyer and told they could get millions if they turned the scenario into assault. Deshaun was stupid, but not necessarily "evil."
I think the Browns were actually fairly shrewd. They had no chance of getting an elite QB, so they went ahead and just did a fully guaranteed deal and made it happen. In the long run I think this deal makes the Browns a better franchise, or at the least, gives them a chance to be one.
I'm an admitted what time would call "baker hater" which to me just means I think he sucks lol.
I can't compare him to Dalton. Dalton was a second round pick who got a second contact and led his team to the playoffs numerous times .
Baker was a top overall pick who it doesn't appear will finish out his rookie deal on his team and led them to the playoffs once.
I'd have to call Dalton a great pick and baker a bust looking at Allen and Lamar being taken after him.