Test/Primo cycle - Extreme fatigue?

[lgnorant]

Got bloods back (pending test results - still waiting)

My Urea is 9.6 and Creatinine is 114 - EGFR 75

I got bloods done 5.5 months ago and the levels were 6.3 for Urea and 90 for creatinine and Egfr >90

Can primo cause this raise or even a blast? What other factors can elevate kidney levels

Those numbers are quite worrying and may explain my tiredness...

 

[hawkmoon]

Sounds like low E2 symptoms. Over past few years I've become very sensitive to drugs such as primo, EQ, masteron etc. I used to be an estrogen producing machine and needed higher amounts of AI lol. When I was pushing past 2 years to come back , needed zero AI and can barely use those types of drugs, very odd how my body changed. Thankfully don't have to worry anymore about it now that ive retired from competing.

But id for sure bet that's primo affecting E2. Can try bumping your test up to get E2 up and add in a little HCG to speed it up a tad and get those neurosteroids going again.

I've noticed this happening surprisingly as I age.
I'm 53 in a week and 5+ years ago I needed an AI with anything over 250mg test and now I can use double that and be OK. I guess everything become less efficient with time - including aromatase

 

[lgnorant]

Got bloods back (pending test results - still waiting)

My Urea is 9.6 and Creatinine is 114 - EGFR 75

I got bloods done 5.5 months ago and the levels were 6.3 for Urea and 90 for creatinine and Egfr >90

Can primo cause this raise or even a blast? What other factors can elevate kidney levels

My liver enzymes also slightly elevated (AST 59 and ALT 65)

Those numbers are quite worrying and may explain my tiredness...

 

[specter]

Got bloods back (pending test results - still waiting)

My Urea is 9.6 and Creatinine is 114 - EGFR 75

I got bloods done 5.5 months ago and the levels were 6.3 for Urea and 90 for creatinine and Egfr >90

Can primo cause this raise or even a blast? What other factors can elevate kidney levels

My liver enzymes also slightly elevated (AST 59 and ALT 65)

Those numbers are quite worrying and may explain my tiredness...

Alot of things can mess with the EGFr reading, how close to your last trainning session did you have the blood test ?

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

I've noticed this happening surprisingly as I age.
I'm 53 in a week and 5+ years ago I needed an AI with anything over 250mg test and now I can use double that and be OK. I guess everything become less efficient with time - including aromatase

Getting old is so complicated sometimes haha!

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Got bloods back (pending test results - still waiting)

My Urea is 9.6 and Creatinine is 114 - EGFR 75

I got bloods done 5.5 months ago and the levels were 6.3 for Urea and 90 for creatinine and Egfr >90

Can primo cause this raise or even a blast? What other factors can elevate kidney levels

My liver enzymes also slightly elevated (AST 59 and ALT 65)

Those numbers are quite worrying and may explain my tiredness...

As said above so many factors. Those readings aren't of anything concerning. Slight increases are a pay to play for athletes and with larger muscle mass. Hydrating affects it, as well as if you trained within 72 hours prior. I tell all athletes be hydrated and take off 2-3 days before bloods. That's if I want to see them in that state. I can almost bet your tiredness is from the primo, I have had same exact issues when I was trying to make a comeback to competing and finally realized its all drugs like primo for me.

 

[TheRoid]

I've noticed this happening surprisingly as I age.
I'm 53 in a week and 5+ years ago I needed an AI with anything over 250mg test and now I can use double that and be OK. I guess everything become less efficient with time - including aromatase

...or just laboratories half dosing the gear

 

[Mufasa123]

I've noticed this happening surprisingly as I age.
I'm 53 in a week and 5+ years ago I needed an AI with anything over 250mg test and now I can use double that and be OK. I guess everything become less efficient with time - including aromatase

Late 40s and HRT for 10+ years now with tons of bloods (3-5 per year on avg). My AI dose was constant like a rock for test for 5+ years - all sensative E2s. One day for no reason it changed and I need less. Been constant like a rock for years again... just a new constant.

 

[demon]

This is interesting to say the least. Mid 50's HRT for 15 years. Used to aromatize heavily when I first started. The last 6 years or so something changed, and I produce less estrogen. 210mg of test cyp per week puts my sensitive E at 15 with no ai.

 

[lgnorant]

Taken day before injection so trough

250mg test week with 200mg primo

E2 seems fine here? May be a bit low based on testosterone however

 

[lynxeffect1]

Sounds like low E2 symptoms. Over past few years I've become very sensitive to drugs such as primo, EQ, masteron etc. I used to be an estrogen producing machine and needed higher amounts of AI lol. When I was pushing past 2 years to come back , needed zero AI and can barely use those types of drugs, very odd how my body changed. Thankfully don't have to worry anymore about it now that ive retired from competing.

But id for sure bet that's primo affecting E2. Can try bumping your test up to get E2 up and add in a little HCG to speed it up a tad and get those neurosteroids going again.

Can you give an example of that like what was your estrogen at before on x amount of test compared to now on the same amount ?

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Can you give an example of that like what was your estrogen at before on x amount of test compared to now on the same amount ?

Well now I run a true TRT dose (when I remember, I hate shooting now)... so now that I finally have it higher, it stays around 70-100 (I show no symptoms, and feel great and have good sex drive). This was after having to blast HCG, DHEA etc to get those levels high again. Now I keep some HCG in to keep estrogen high and neuro steroids.

When I was bodybuilding years ago, 750mg of test I would NEED 1mg EOD of Adex to keep it 40-60. Before, past 2 years when trying to come back, when I was pushing, NOTHING. Even at 1000-1250mg of test, I needed nothing. If that was many years ago, I would have to take an anti E like candy. Crazy to me and hard for me to grasp why.

 

[lynxeffect1]

Well now I run a true TRT dose (when I remember, I hate shooting now)... so now that I finally have it higher, it stays around 70-100 (I show no symptoms, and feel great and have good sex drive). This was after having to blast HCG, DHEA etc to get those levels high again. Now I keep some HCG in to keep estrogen high and neuro steroids.

When I was bodybuilding years ago, 750mg of test I would NEED 1mg EOD of Adex to keep it 40-60. Before, past 2 years when trying to come back, when I was pushing, NOTHING. Even at 1000-1250mg of test, I needed nothing. If that was many years ago, I would have to take an anti E like candy. Crazy to me and hard for me to grasp why.

Thanks for the reply. How much hcg and dhea did you use and for how long to raise levels ? I ran 10,000iu hcg recently 1000iu eod while going back to trt dose . I've had e. Disfunction all year and sore joints , my doc rarely lets me get bloods done so I had to send it to another country recently and it turned out my prolactin was sky high which I've been told was preventing my estrogen from rising after I previously crashed it so my estrogen was at 25pg ml on 900 test compared to normally at about 80pg ml. Now I think I've crashed my prolactin and still waiting for proper sex drive and ed to go back to normal 2 weeks into trt before I can blast again. Everything was so much easier when younger

 

[qbkilla]

For someone who has never used primo but typically will run dosages like...300 test +200 tren...400 test+150 mast...250 test+50mg drol...what might be a good dosage to try a test primo combo? Something to actually say "ah this is what primo does?" Aka not too low

 

[Cerberus777]

For someone who has never used primo but typically will run dosages like...300 test +200 tren...400 test+150 mast...250 test+50mg drol...what might be a good dosage to try a test primo combo? Something to actually say "ah this is what primo does?" Aka not too low

300mg test 500mg primo. Is a good starting point, in a few weeks if too dry bump the test up.

 

[lgnorant]

retested again

laid off protein (down to 125g) - hydrated alot and did not do any weights for 3 days

BUN of 22.7 (down from 27) - creatinine same at 115

Urine sample showed no signs of protein in urine which is good

Safe to say the increased BUN was due to protein/hydration?

 

[The Runner]

retested again

laid off protein (down to 125g) - hydrated alot and did not do any weights for 3 days

BUN of 22.7 (down from 27) - creatinine same at 115

Urine sample showed no signs of protein in urine which is good

Safe to say the increased BUN was due to protein/hydration?

Weren't you supposed to get estrogen checked? Did I miss the reading?

 

[lgnorant]

Weren't you supposed to get estrogen checked? Did I miss the reading?

My estrogen was 173 (to be below 150)

Total test 55.2 (max limit is 28)

I think my estrogen is on lower side ratio wise given my test levels , could explain some of the tiredness

Contemplating sacking primo and just upping test to 300mg a week and thatll be my blast

More concerned however about kidney values atm

 

[marssel]

Just how much water? Possibly too much and not enough sodium, low sodium levels will make you tired.

I have never used primo but thought a higher dosage is needed to see effects, are you seeing benefits at only 200mg?

Benefits at 200 in a stack yes alone you’d need 600 plus and that’s with a trt test base. Without and 600 would be a train wreck

 

[Mufasa123]

Benefits at 200 in a stack yes alone you’d need 600 plus and that’s with a trt test base. Without and 600 would be a train wreck

I'm in this camp. If cutting and using for retention in a stack...400mg and maybe below is probably fine. I've never tested this. Using as a primary mover with a trt to moderate test base I'd use 600mg or more.