Should all blasts/cycles be ran with statins?

[Fat]

Hello,

If Androgens skew our HDL/LDL values, should we not use statins like Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin to prevent this? I believe raised LDL and lowered HDL overtime causes atherosclerosis, which is a potentially serious condition where arteries become clogged with fatty substances called plaque. Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally, taking an estimated 17.9 million lives each year.

We take AI's, SERM's to prevent excess estrogen, and other stuff to prevent high blood pressure etc.. So why do we ignore cholesterol?

Am I missing something?

Please let me know.

Thoughts?

 

[LATS]

Like everything, statins have a litany of side effects.. some very serious. . I took atorvastatin.. at 80mgs it made me feel aweful.. weakness etc.. reduced to 40mgs.. did the same thing.. reduced again to 20 mgs and still had awful brain fog and some weakness.. good off it and went with citrus bergamot and curcumin.. will test again in a month..

 

[Elvia1023]

The short answer is no.

There are many variables and everyone is different. Not everyone who blasts AAS have issues with cholesterol. If you do then yes statins could be an option but you have to weigh up the risks vs reward and many come with their own list of potential side effects. There are also many herbal supplements that have been shown to improve cholesterol markers. Your diet is also a very important factor. Then comes cardio and cardiovascular health in general. The choice of your AAS is also an important factor and if cholesterol and heart/arterial health is important to you may want to set clear limits to what and how much you take.

Point being if cholesterol becomes and issue for you then there are many different ways to mitigate damage and improve lipids. For someone using AAS who is concerned with cholesterol they may get all they need from supps such as citrus bergamot, sytrinol, policosanol, niacin, garlic, curcumin and metformin etc. If those are not enough and/or the user plans to blast for long periods and use higher doses then it might be wise to introduce a statin such as rosuvastatin or pitavastatin.

 

[Hatchet]

I personally like to take Red Rice Yeast (from other countries) where it has naturally fermented monacolin-k (10 mg), which is natural/fermented lovastatin.
Asian folks have been eating this for generations and had very little heart disease (big part of their diet).
Big pharma took it, made it synthetic and hand it out like skittles on Halloween...

 

[qbkilla]

Hello,

If Androgens skew our HDL/LDL values, should we not use statins like Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin to prevent this? I believe raised LDL and lowered HDL overtime causes atherosclerosis, which is a potentially serious condition where arteries become clogged with fatty substances called plaque. Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally, taking an estimated 17.9 million lives each year.

We take AI's, SERM's to prevent excess estrogen, and other stuff to prevent high blood pressure etc.. So why do we ignore cholesterol?

Am I missing something?

Please let me know.

Thoughts?

I say no. I take none of the above medication either. When my BP creeped up I looked at weight, lack of cardio, sodium and caffeine intake. Never micro managed my estrogen...when I first joined AAS forums a little estrogen was said to be needed for optimal growth. Now days people are so scared of estrogen they are crashing it.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Hello,

If Androgens skew our HDL/LDL values, should we not use statins like Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin to prevent this? I believe raised LDL and lowered HDL overtime causes atherosclerosis, which is a potentially serious condition where arteries become clogged with fatty substances called plaque. Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally, taking an estimated 17.9 million lives each year.

We take AI's, SERM's to prevent excess estrogen, and other stuff to prevent high blood pressure etc.. So why do we ignore cholesterol?

Am I missing something?

Please let me know.

Thoughts?

What‘s this “we” stuff. Based on your advice i no longer take an AI or SERM, you said estrogen was anabolic AF

 

[headtrainer]

I’ve read that statins increase calcification of the arteries. I’ll never use them.

 

[Gizmo]

I’ve read that statins increase calcification of the arteries. I’ll never use them.

That’s because they calcify existing plaques which makes them less prone to rupture. But you do you.

 

[nothuman]

Hello,

If Androgens skew our HDL/LDL values, should we not use statins like Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin to prevent this? I believe raised LDL and lowered HDL overtime causes atherosclerosis, which is a potentially serious condition where arteries become clogged with fatty substances called plaque. Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally, taking an estimated 17.9 million lives each year.

We take AI's, SERM's to prevent excess estrogen, and other stuff to prevent high blood pressure etc.. So why do we ignore cholesterol?

Am I missing something?

Please let me know.

Thoughts?

Yes, I'll take a big fat L on statins. I used to think they were poison and you'll find old posts from me saying such. More recent research has proven me wrong.

Forget LDL. High Apo B is a killer. Statins reduce Apo B. I use a low dose of 10mg with 10mg Ezetimibe.

All bodybuilders should use one. In fact, most humans should.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I have no issues with statins, seems to be one of the more controversial subjects, but I only used them at low doses, like 20mg EOD, more for preventative purposes when not eating right and not training, and when I did a few small mini blasts. If just for trt doses, I would not have an issue doing the same, but generally have not used them. Most of that time, I also used OTC supp's as well with it, and with cessation of statins.

Have not used any in a few years now.

 

[Bio]

Hello,

If Androgens skew our HDL/LDL values, should we not use statins like Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin to prevent this? I believe raised LDL and lowered HDL overtime causes atherosclerosis, which is a potentially serious condition where arteries become clogged with fatty substances called plaque. Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally, taking an estimated 17.9 million lives each year.

We take AI's, SERM's to prevent excess estrogen, and other stuff to prevent high blood pressure etc.. So why do we ignore cholesterol?

Am I missing something?

Please let me know.

Thoughts?

It's been discussed quite a bit on this forum! You're new so I would suggest using the Search function to see what's already been posted on the subject.

 

[jcc80]

Yes, I'll take a big fat L on statins. I used to think they were poison and you'll find old posts from me saying such. More recent research has proven me wrong.

Forget LDL. High Apo B is a killer. Statins reduce Apo B. I use a low dose of 10mg with 10mg Ezetimibe.

All bodybuilders should use one. In fact, most humans should.

Do you find that you need coq10 to go with it? Or I vaguely remember you've always used ubiquinol. Maybe mixing you up with someone else but I don't think so.

 

[null88]

y'all be taking grams of gear but cant handle the side effects of a little atorvastatin.

 

[stackdizzy]

y'all be taking grams of gear but cant handle the side effects of a little atorvastatin.

Atorvastatin fucked with my GFR big-time. Only thing to ever do it.

 

[Fat]

What‘s this “we” stuff. Based on your advice i no longer take an AI or SERM, you said estrogen was anabolic AF

I was talking in general as a community it's common place to use an AI lol. Estrogen is anabolic and healthy for lipids!

That’s because they calcify existing plaques which makes them less prone to rupture. But you do you.

If statins were taken before plaques built up in the arteries, would statins prevent further build up and calcification whilst lowering Apo B?

 

[CorgisOnTren]

I’d look into ezetimibe before a statin, if talking pharmaceuticals. Plenty of supps as a first measure.

Not to mention the way statins ultimately allow for more plaque build up if I recall correctly through inhibition of k2 in some way.

 

[Reno911]

I tried Microdosing Crestor at 5mg 2x/week. My numbers at that dose were a hair worse than when taking my natural supplement regiment. So I went to 5mg 3x/week. After about 2 weeks, unless I was moving I felt like I got hit by a truck the day before. It started to really fuck with my sleep.

At that point, Dr. switched me to Ezetimibe and I added back in the RYR for the plaque stabilization. Blasting now but I'll see how the numbers look in another week or 2. Also keeping in 20mg Cardarine.

 

[rainstony]

Just like we shouldn't be popping AI year round "just because", I don't think we should just be taking any pharmaceuticals all the time. There is a host of natural remedies and diet changes that can happen to improve a lot of health markers. Trying to take as few "drugs to combat drugs" just seems logical to me.

All opinion of course

 

[Gizmo]

I was talking in general as a community it's common place to use an AI lol. Estrogen is anabolic and healthy for lipids!



If statins were taken before plaques built up in the arteries, would statins prevent further build up and calcification whilst lowering Apo B?

Yes they should prevent further build up if enough is taken. I still am a bit skeptical about lowering LDL too much though, since our cells do use it. And yes Apo B should also be lowered. There are even studies that show plaque reversal with statins.

I used to be very hesitant toward taking statins, however the data is overwhelmingly convincing. Also a little bit of anecdotal stuff, my dad had a heart attack at 49 and has been taking statins ever since with 0 side effects for over 2 decades. I’ve myself been on for years now with 0 side effects also.

 

[Hatchet]

I’ve read that statins increase calcification of the arteries. I’ll never use them.

Like the other guy said, that's one thing they do, do well, is calcify soft plaque, preventing rupture...
Thats why this recent "get a calcium test" fiasco is a bit silly. Its one piece of a giant puzzle, yet people think they are all set if they have zero calcium.
2 firends, early 60's, both had widow-maker heart-atatcks and bypasses, almost died. Very low lipids, and zero calcium.
They did however, have tons of soft-plaque. Only intrusive tests (nuclear-stress, etc) will show that. For some, some calcium is life saving...