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here is the thing robot
Ok here is the difference. You have been working out for 2.5 years. Good for you. I myself have been pumping weights for 16 + years -- and that is on the low side compared to a lot of the guys here. This has been a huge part of our lives. And there is such a thing as muscle memory, and if you have been doing this lifestyle for long enough, it gets easier and easier to manipulate your body to your liking. 25 pounds in 4 weeks can def happen -- no of course it is not all muscle, a lot of it is water, but he most likely had the muscle cells there to be volumized in the first place. People who just juice up without much muscle and do not work out much will have some water retention, but will hold it in weird places. Yes they will gain some muscle -- a lot more if they worked hard to break down the fibers so the nitrogen can come into play. You are a newbie to this game, and it shows. What is really insulting is that you post like you are a long time vet or seasoned competitor, and have this condescending tone accompanying it. You need to read a lot more, and post less. If you post they should be questions or feedback based on real experience. If you do not like the answers do not get mad. Most folks here will be respectful, but if you get all defensive and start to come off like a prick, you are going to get served. A great example is Aeliop, an other bro who knows his shit. He was contructive and helpful, and you basically gave him the finger. So he was brutally honest, (the difference being he was constructive vs brutal) and it stung. That was not his original intent. You are not going to get much farther by thinking you know everything. You don't. Either do I. But I know I know more than you. When someone like Phil chimes in, know what I do? I read and listen to his words. I learn. I do not lash out at him and then try to parrot information later. You are trying do hard to identify as a bber. Nothing wrong with that, but be a realist. I commend you man, I really do; for the change in your life. That is a huge step in the right direction. But do not break out the annointing oil so soon and think you are somewhere you are not. Remember, we are all trying to improve, constantly. You are just getting started man! 2.5 years has just been an introduction into the world of moving metal. And now you are trying to figure out the diet. GREAT. This is prob the hardest thing to do -- trying to nail down exactly how and what your body responds to the best. This will take time, and trial and error. I only WISH that I knew what I know now back when I began. If I had this wonderful board and its members at my disposal at the start of my lifting, I could have cut a lot of unecessary myths/scams/lies out. A majority of this board (and I mean a large percentage) composes of people who have been serious athletes their whole lives. I could do a board "shuffle" of the member names and prob 7 outta 10 times the person I "picked" would make the average person gape at them in public. The average member here is going to turn heads at the beach, and have ppl approach them in the gym. This is not some arrogant internet idealogy, this is fact. You want to get in where you fit in? Listen and learn.
A claim of 25 pounds of muscle synthesized in 4 weeks and PHIL says "good work".
Fuck me. Sorry champs, the human body can't do it. What you got going on there is a shit load of water inside the cell.
If you start at 200 pounds and 4% contest weight you can put on 30 pounds of pure fat and be 12.6% add add some nice testosterone to puff up the muscle for another 15 pounds with water and maybe 5 pounds of muscle and you've got your 50 pound weight gain. Not that there's anything wrong with 5 pounds of lean muscle but
That's about a 10:1 ratio of weight gain to muscle gain while PHIL and company pokes fun at my 3:1 ratio of weight to muscle gain.
I smell bullshit.
Ok here is the difference. You have been working out for 2.5 years. Good for you. I myself have been pumping weights for 16 + years -- and that is on the low side compared to a lot of the guys here. This has been a huge part of our lives. And there is such a thing as muscle memory, and if you have been doing this lifestyle for long enough, it gets easier and easier to manipulate your body to your liking. 25 pounds in 4 weeks can def happen -- no of course it is not all muscle, a lot of it is water, but he most likely had the muscle cells there to be volumized in the first place. People who just juice up without much muscle and do not work out much will have some water retention, but will hold it in weird places. Yes they will gain some muscle -- a lot more if they worked hard to break down the fibers so the nitrogen can come into play. You are a newbie to this game, and it shows. What is really insulting is that you post like you are a long time vet or seasoned competitor, and have this condescending tone accompanying it. You need to read a lot more, and post less. If you post they should be questions or feedback based on real experience. If you do not like the answers do not get mad. Most folks here will be respectful, but if you get all defensive and start to come off like a prick, you are going to get served. A great example is Aeliop, an other bro who knows his shit. He was contructive and helpful, and you basically gave him the finger. So he was brutally honest, (the difference being he was constructive vs brutal) and it stung. That was not his original intent. You are not going to get much farther by thinking you know everything. You don't. Either do I. But I know I know more than you. When someone like Phil chimes in, know what I do? I read and listen to his words. I learn. I do not lash out at him and then try to parrot information later. You are trying do hard to identify as a bber. Nothing wrong with that, but be a realist. I commend you man, I really do; for the change in your life. That is a huge step in the right direction. But do not break out the annointing oil so soon and think you are somewhere you are not. Remember, we are all trying to improve, constantly. You are just getting started man! 2.5 years has just been an introduction into the world of moving metal. And now you are trying to figure out the diet. GREAT. This is prob the hardest thing to do -- trying to nail down exactly how and what your body responds to the best. This will take time, and trial and error. I only WISH that I knew what I know now back when I began. If I had this wonderful board and its members at my disposal at the start of my lifting, I could have cut a lot of unecessary myths/scams/lies out. A majority of this board (and I mean a large percentage) composes of people who have been serious athletes their whole lives. I could do a board "shuffle" of the member names and prob 7 outta 10 times the person I "picked" would make the average person gape at them in public. The average member here is going to turn heads at the beach, and have ppl approach them in the gym. This is not some arrogant internet idealogy, this is fact. You want to get in where you fit in? Listen and learn.