“Insulin is the greatest steroid” A scientific dive into enhanced bodybuilding with science based pro body bodybuilder Nathan Deasha

[traininsane11]

 

[Stewie]

The title is a bit oxymoronic. Insulin is a polypeptide, not a steroid. Steroids have a four-ring carbon structure; insulin does not.

 

[traininsane11]

I kinda think (sadly) that Nathan is a perfect example of how genetics+some degree of work ethic absolutely trumps everything else a million to 1

So many science based guys who are worlds smarter than Nathan (many here on this forum) who follow the most “optimal” method for everything and look like they barely lift (not excluding myself from this demographic)

Bodybuilding is definitely not a perfect example of hard work = results

 

[bbxtreme]

That was a very painful 5 min to watch. “Insulin is the strongest steroid” LOL

 

[gauge22-v2]

Food is the strongest anabolic..... lol

 

[Sectør]

I kinda think (sadly) that Nathan is a perfect example of how genetics+some degree of work ethic absolutely trumps everything else a million to 1

So many science based guys who are worlds smarter than Nathan (many here on this forum) who follow the most “optimal” method for everything and look like they barely lift (not excluding myself from this demographic)

Bodybuilding is definitely not a perfect example of hard work = results

Definitely a bit of a painful watch. Found myself thinking “just spit it out already” a few times in the video when he was kind of mumbling and trying to get the words out

Also not taking away from his work ethic, he’s obviously been in the game a long time and put in probably 2 decades or more of work, and he’s done it consistently. I think consistency is the most important thing here

If I’m not mistaken wasn’t this the guy who is on tren year round for 18 years or something ridiculous? I feel like if you take tren that long with gh and insulin—even if you just trained half ass you would probably have a good amount of muscle, even looking at a weight would put on muscle after 18 year of tren

 

[alfresco]

That was a very painful 5 min to watch. “Insulin is the strongest steroid” LOL

Did Milo’s say that? (Would not surprise me, no disrespect.) A common / uncommon opinion?

 

[bbxtreme]

Did Milo’s say that? (Would not surprise me, no disrespect.) A common / uncommon opinion?

He says it’s the strongest anabolic agent, but never called it a “steroid”. He sent me pages of info when we worked together years back.

 

[alfresco]

He says it’s the strongest anabolic agent, but never called it a “steroid”. He sent me pages of info when we worked together years back.

True dat.

 

[qbkilla]

I kinda think (sadly) that Nathan is a perfect example of how genetics+some degree of work ethic absolutely trumps everything else a million to 1

So many science based guys who are worlds smarter than Nathan (many here on this forum) who follow the most “optimal” method for everything and look like they barely lift (not excluding myself from this demographic)

Bodybuilding is definitely not a perfect example of hard work = results

Id say if hard work, consistency, common sense, and knowledge of basic principles (proper form, progressive overload, diet) are in place....knowledge of exercise science provides zero benefit.

Many of skips videos they talk about how 85% of exercise science studies have statistical errors, are misleading how the data is reported, and would not be accepted by reputable fields of science.

 

[FuzzyFella]

Did Milo’s say that? (Would not surprise me, no disrespect.) A common / uncommon opinion?

I think the issue with that statement is not that insulin isn't a strong anabolic, but that it is not an anabolic steroid, but just another hormone. Could just be a mis speak

 

[td]

I haven't watched the video but it's frequently claimed that insulin is the most anabolic compound.

If one means anabolic in the literal sense of "building," sure. Insulin is a storage hormone. However, it remains unclear in the clinical literature as to whether insulin actually stimulates protein synthesis. That is required for muscle anabolism. Insulin does decrease proteolysis.

This should be evident through case study though. Observe adolescent young men and women. Both produce insulin. However, substantial amounts of hypertrophy do not occur for either population until the males start producing testosterone.

Testosterone is the most anabolic hormone in terms of muscle hypertrophy.

Testosterone and insulin? I expect the synergistic effect is greater than either alone.

 

[Fleezy]

Bodybuilding is definitely not a perfect example of hard work = results

i mean.. it is...


but i see what you're saying here

 

[buck]

Didn't Hathan just post something along the lines of being on tren for 19 years? If so how would his experience prove it was insulin that was the holy grail. Plus just for myself i don't think i would use Nathan as a main recourse for BB chemistry.

 

[alfresco]

I think the issue with that statement is not that insulin isn't a strong anabolic, but that it is not an anabolic steroid, but just another hormone. Could just be a mis speak

I could be mis-remembering, looks like that way now or it could’ve just been my choice of wording. I do have a great memory . . . it just isn’t real long

 

[Aikman56]

Many of skips videos they talk about how 85% of exercise science studies have statistical errors, are misleading how the data is reported, and would not be accepted by reputable fields of science.

I'm listening to that podcast as I type this...

And not only would they not be accepted, those that DO have pertinent information aren't going to apply to as many people as one might suppose. I've been selling prescription drugs to physicians, hospitals and compounding pharmacies since 2004 and if I've learned anything it is that no matter how well done the study, there ar many patients/patient populations to whom the results simply do NOT apply.

 

[Gaintrain]

Insulin is just a tool just like every other peptide and ped...

 

[gauge22-v2]

The secret? FE on a regular basis

 

[pistonpump]

The secret? FE on a regular basis

FE?

 

[neutrino]

FE?

Think the man means Fe as in ferrous aka iron