❤ and AAS

[dorian123]

I'm getting all kinds of contradiction on this...what AAS is safer for the heart.

The information I have is that pretty much all orals are bad.

Tren and Deca bad

Test seems to be the safest...

No info on Mast

Anyone got input?

 

[Sectør]

I hear creatine is pretty safe

 

[Sectør]

Effects of anabolic steroid use on myocardial perfusion in body-builders: a quantitative cardiovascular magnetic resonance Study - Journal of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance

jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com

Effects of anabolic steroid use on myocardial perfusion in body-builders: a quantitative cardiovascular magnetic resonance Study​

“Anabolic steroids are known to induce left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH). The pathologic LVH due to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, hypertension, and aortic stenosis has been associated with myocardial perfusion abnormalities. However, the effects of anabolic steroid misuse on myocardial blood flow (MBF) are unknown.“

All compounds pose certain risks. Some more than others. Test is the safest and most studied compound (but still comes with risks). Risks can be minimized, but never fully eliminated.

 

[buck]

I hear creatine is pretty safe

Only at therapeutic dosages

Effects of anabolic steroid use on myocardial perfusion in body-builders: a quantitative cardiovascular magnetic resonance Study - Journal of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance

jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com

Effects of anabolic steroid use on myocardial perfusion in body-builders: a quantitative cardiovascular magnetic resonance Study​

“Anabolic steroids are known to induce left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH). The pathologic LVH due to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, hypertension, and aortic stenosis has been associated with myocardial perfusion abnormalities. However, the effects of anabolic steroid misuse on myocardial blood flow (MBF) are unknown.“

All compounds pose certain risks. Some more than others. Test is the safest and most studied compound (but still comes with risks). Risks can be minimized, but never fully eliminated.

After over 25 years of TRT and cycles with the vast vast majority of the time being over the top of the normal range sometimes way over, i don't have LVH. I am now wondering if all my gear has been underdosed.

 

[dorian123]

Effects of anabolic steroid use on myocardial perfusion in body-builders: a quantitative cardiovascular magnetic resonance Study - Journal of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance

jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com

Effects of anabolic steroid use on myocardial perfusion in body-builders: a quantitative cardiovascular magnetic resonance Study​

“Anabolic steroids are known to induce left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH). The pathologic LVH due to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, hypertension, and aortic stenosis has been associated with myocardial perfusion abnormalities. However, the effects of anabolic steroid misuse on myocardial blood flow (MBF) are unknown.“

All compounds pose certain risks. Some more than others. Test is the safest and most studied compound (but still comes with risks). Risks can be minimized, but never fully eliminated.

Yes test is king but are there others?

 

[dorian123]

Only at therapeutic dosages

After over 25 years of TRT and cycles with the vast vast majority of the time being over the top of the normal range sometimes way over, i don't have LVH. I am now wondering if all my gear has been underdosed.

Interesting I have LVH but the doctor said it is common for lifters and not as dangerous as first thought

 

[Sectør]

Only at therapeutic dosages

After over 25 years of TRT and cycles with the vast vast majority of the time being over the top of the normal range sometimes way over, i don't have LVH. I am now wondering if all my gear has been underdosed.

I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if the heart wall has thickened a little bit, but my point wasn’t that AAS is guaranteed to make your body redline. Plenty of people that have run trt and even long heavy cycles that have lived long, healthy lives.



There’s people that drink and smoke a fuckload that live into their late 90s.

There’s people that workout, eat healthy, that never smoke or drank that have gotten lung cancer and died.

It’s just the draw of the cards sometimes. There’s not always a logical explanation

 

[Sectør]

Yes test is king but are there others?

Not sure I’m not a medical professional. Just found the study relevant is all

 

[Jefe]

I thought this thread was going to similar to Love and Basketball. . I feel like an idiot.

 

[dorian123]

Some research that I've read said deca and test is the way to go. Others say deca is bad. Wondering if test only is the way to go

 

[dorian123]

So still.wondering how bad deca is for the heart

 

[01dragonslayer]

Steroids can cause a heart attack in certain situations.

For example, when androgenic-anabolic steroidsTrusted Source are misused or taken in large doses, they can affect the heart structurally and functionally.

The way the heart contracts and relaxes may change when you take large doses of steroids. Your heart’s chambers may even increase in size.

Steroids can affect how your heart’s blood flow and ability to clot. They may also cause a temporary rise in blood pressure and an increase in LDL (“bad”) cholesterol levels while HDL (“good”) cholesterol levels decrease. This can place people at an increased risk of coronary artery disease and a life threatening irregular heart rate.

Timing of steroid use may also increase the risk of experiencing full cardiac arrest. For example, when people attribute early warning signs of a heart attack to their workout, they may not get assistance quickly and develop more serious complications.

 

[dorian123]

So how bad is say 300mg test and 100mg deca a week for the heart?

 

[buck]

So how bad is say 300mg test and 100mg deca a week for the heart?

How long you doing that.

 

[dorian123]

How long you doing that.

Figure 12 weeks then drop the deca for 12 weeks. I have some what I'd a compromised heart. Have a metal valve that replaced my mitral valve

 

[dorian123]

Wondering if I should add the deca or just add another 100mg of test for a total of 400mg test

 

[buck]

Wondering if I should add the deca or just add another 100mg of test for a total of 400mg test

When in doubt i would stick to test.

 

[dorian123]

When in doubt i would stick to test.

Yes I just watched a video by Anabolic Dr. He said the test deca combo would for sure spike BP which I'm on meds for. So just the test here.

Thank you for your time buck

 

[Fa Seeshus]

For me, nandrolone causes marked sleep apnea, which is in turn not good for the heart. YMMV

 

[EliteWolfPak]

Dammmmm let’s gooo