1.5g vs 2g protein per lbs bodyweight.

[Sully1234]

I disagree – 1g/lbs is what will absolutely maximize MPS, and you won't go beyond that point – it's like trying to break your head through the ceiling.

No matter how many HGH insulin AAS you take, the rate of synthesis or tissue regeneration has its own limit, and you can't exceed it by simply taking more – it's like trying to pour 500ml into a 250ml glass, and all the rest will spill out, making your table dirty and you'll have to clean it up (side effects).

Re: 1g/lb - That is very hard to wrap my head around personally lol

 

[madg]

Respectfully, I think you are looking at a smaller picture than I intended with my comment.

I agree that 1g per lb maximizes *proximal* MPS.

I was referring to the other benefits that eating greater amounts than 1g/lb per day of protein will have through Mtor has aside from that day’s MPS.

Mtor actually coordinates multiple anabolic and metabolic processes,not just proximal MPS.

More Mtor means more ribosome biogenesis, which increases your capacity for MPS long term rather than your rate of MPS today.

Mtor also stimulates glycolysis and nutrient uptake, helping cells process glucose, aminos, and lipids as well. Nutrient signalling effects via Mtor also affect insulin sensitivity.

Mtor also indirectly supports mitochondrial activity and enhances the cell’s energy capacity.

These effects are not capped at the same rate that proximal MPS is capped at.

So in short, yes, I agree that proximal MPS is maximized at 1g per day, but greater amounts can lay the groundwork for greater MPS capacity long term along with a host of other indirect anabolic benefits.

Of course, proximal MPS is the most important factor by far, but those high protein coaches were on to something. That’s why I decided to research this, I couldn’t fathom how so many respected coaches could all be wrong. It was actually a lesser known coach named Kolton (coach kolton on ig) who put me onto the trail of these benefits from Mtor.

Edit: I also forgot to add that greater Mtor can enhance hypertrophy through satellite cell activation as another beneficial pathway , I thought I was forgetting something lol

@luki7788 300lbs and coaching hundreds.. you look like 180lb in your avatar and talk about taking insulin

Yes clearly its @luki7788 who see the smaller picture ..

Continue with walls of text , chatgpt and insulin at 180 lb

 

[SouthernMuscle]

@luki7788 300lbs and coaching hundreds.. you look like 180lb in your avatar and talk about taking insulin

Yes clearly its @luki7788 who see the smaller picture ..

Continue with walls of text , chatgpt and insulin at 180 lb

Savage

 

[RandomLifter]

Something I haven’t seen mentioned much ITT is the adjustments needed to Carbohydrates based on actual heavy activity. I have to eat a ton of carbs bc I burn 800+ calories 3-4 times per week just with grappling and MMA (this is not counting lifting at all or general activity).

So on those days, my carbs have to go up by approximately 200g just to keep up with the training.

I don’t change the protein much. It stays at 2+ grams per kilo no matter what.

That said I don’t grow nearly enough so maybe I need more protein.

 

[MooseKnuckles]

Growth Principles for Beginners - By Big A​

"VERY simple. Very important that you try to get as close to 500g of protein per day. Easiest way to do that is to have a whey protein shake in water with every meal."

 

[Fleezy]

the big people on the board and the small people on the board have spoken

 

[luki7788]

 

[specter]

Growth Principles for Beginners - By Big A​

"VERY simple. Very important that you try to get as close to 500g of protein per day. Easiest way to do that is to have a whey protein shake in water with every meal."

Im not trying to be an ass here, but over time we learn new stuff.

 

[MooseKnuckles]

Im not trying to be an ass here, but over time we learn new stuff.

I don't really care I just thought it was interesting, I don't think I could eat that much protein.

New things aren't always better

 

[TEHL]

Respectfully, I think you are looking at a smaller picture than I intended with my comment.

I agree that 1g per lb maximizes *proximal* MPS.

I was referring to the other benefits that eating greater amounts than 1g/lb per day of protein will have through Mtor has aside from that day’s MPS.

Mtor actually coordinates multiple anabolic and metabolic processes,not just proximal MPS.

More Mtor means more ribosome biogenesis, which increases your capacity for MPS long term rather than your rate of MPS today.

Mtor also stimulates glycolysis and nutrient uptake, helping cells process glucose, aminos, and lipids as well. Nutrient signalling effects via Mtor also affect insulin sensitivity.

Mtor also indirectly supports mitochondrial activity and enhances the cell’s energy capacity.

These effects are not capped at the same rate that proximal MPS is capped at.

So in short, yes, I agree that proximal MPS is maximized at 1g per day, but greater amounts can lay the groundwork for greater MPS capacity long term along with a host of other indirect anabolic benefits.

Of course, proximal MPS is the most important factor by far, but those high protein coaches were on to something. That’s why I decided to research this, I couldn’t fathom how so many respected coaches could all be wrong. It was actually a lesser known coach named Kolton (coach kolton on ig) who put me onto the trail of these benefits from Mtor.

Edit: I also forgot to add that greater Mtor can enhance hypertrophy through satellite cell activation as another beneficial pathway , I thought I was forgetting something lol

Mate, I get that you’re excited about bodybuilding, but honestly there’s not that much real science behind what we do, and you’re overcomplicating things a lot.

Bodybuilding is all about consistency, in sleeping, training, eating, peds.

If you read the 300 pages in Lukis’ thread, you’ll notice that bodybuilding really isn’t this huge wall of scientific text — it’s actually way simpler than that.

There’s nothing new to “invent” when it comes to growing.

Nowadays the most important thing is understanding digestion and absorption and getting that dialed in.

We already know how much tissue we can realistically gain in a year, we already know how much protein to eat — there’s really no debate anymore about MPS, mTOR, and all that.

A coach should mainly focus on learning how to peak athletes — that’s where real coaches separate themselves from the fake Instagram/YouTube gurus.

 

[mimiki]

i use approx 2.5g per kilo, when i work out i add extra 80g isolate into shake post workout with gh and humalog all in once jab by IV by milos style, dont do at home guys

 

[massephase]

I don't really care I just thought it was interesting, I don't think I could eat that much protein.

New things aren't always better

It’s a rite of passage
I still remember the acid reflux like it was yesterday, drinking 1kg of skyr with water and whey as a last meal everyday on top of 2lbs chicken and 12 eggs

 

[KyleSmith1985]

I just stuck with the good ol fashion 1g/lb of protein as a minimum. If I'm cutting I usually increase my protein to 1.4G per lb for satiation effect. However now with the advent of retatrutide i Dont really need to that anymore.

 

[20sam91]

Patiently waiting for DC to chime in lol

 

[Fleezy]

I don't really care I just thought it was interesting, I don't think I could eat that much protein.

New things aren't always better

dont think of it as a 'new thing'

perhaps rather, 'updated knowledge'

doctors used to prescribe thalidomide to pregnant women for morning sickness - and we all know how that turned out


FDA approved as well!

(if you catch my drift)