100 iu GH a day (not a typo) - Sergey Danilov

[Yousef12O2]

He says he takes 3 grams of gear (1g test, 1.5g primo and 500mg mast) and 20iu GH all year, and one time did an experiment of 100iu GH a day for a week, said didn't see any gains more than when he's on 20.

I can't believe how hard some of these guys push the envelope. Russians don't play around that's for sure

 

[traininsane11]

@TheOtherOne55

And people thought we were mad

We just knew the “secrets of the pro’s”

Thank us later

 

[traininsane11]

He says he takes 3 grams of gear (1g test, 1.5g primo and 500mg mast) and 20iu GH all year, and one time did an experiment of 100iu GH a day for a week, said didn't see any gains more than when he's on 20.

I can't believe how hard some of these guys would push the envelope. Russians don't play around that's for sure

Also in regards to Russians pushing it

It’s been mentioned there’s a video online somewhere (in Russian I think)

Aleksey Lesukov the OG junior freak saying he ran 8g I believe

 

[luki7788]

I don’t see anything strange about it. A lot of guys, maybe not everyone but many guys, especially at the pro level, experiment with high doses. They just don’t talk about it. Most of them prefer to say nonsense like “I only use 20 mg Tren A per day” or “I only use 1 gram total in the off-season.” Now I see younger guys being more honest, and honestly that’s a good thing.

And really, there’s nothing surprising here. Even on this forum there were people using 50 IU of growth hormone per day, and they still didn’t look anywhere close to Sergei

 

[Siggy]

After seeing the 100iu for a week, I was kind of dissapointed in the 3 Grams gear weekly.....

 

[traininsane11]

After seeing the 100iu for a week, I was kind of dissapointed in the 3 Grams gear weekly.....

Better be 3g per day or I’m calling him out!

 

[Heath82]

For a week? I’d be interested in a longer run, but a week of anything isn’t going to do much

 

[TheOtherOne55]

LOL wtf am i doing trying to lower my dose ...[immediately back up to 3g and 20iu]

 

[RSMainz]

Whether its optimal or not, the 3g of AAS + 20iu GH is exactly where I sit at for most of the year. Its an amount that I mentally and phyiscally feel comfortable where im taking "enough" but not "too much". As long as its kept to just injectables its an amount that keeps me hungry, doesnt destroy my sleep and for the amount of muscle I hold, doesnt seem to cause any additional inflammation or noticeable oxidative stress. And sure there's probably a large amount of diminishing returns after that 1.5-2g mark, maybe even earlier, but with 3g total the ratios also seem right. You can one third - one half coming from test and the other half - two thirds split between an anabolic and DHT derivative. 30 is the highest ive been with GH due to cost mostly but I feel like you start entering that realm of not being able to take enough insulin to effectively utilize all your food and then it becomes one of those "take one drug to counter the effects of another drug" cascade. Ive also tried the 8g thing too and its just way too much stress on the body to effectively progress. Once digestion or sleep go to absolute shit then training performance will soon follow and now you're stressing your body out too much to progress and spinning your wheels.

 

[traininsane11]

Whether its optimal or not, the 3g of AAS + 20iu GH is exactly where I sit at for most of the year. Its an amount that I mentally and phyiscally feel comfortable where im taking "enough" but not "too much". As long as its kept to just injectables its an amount that keeps me hungry, doesnt destroy my sleep and for the amount of muscle I hold, doesnt seem to cause any additional inflammation or noticeable oxidative stress. And sure there's probably a large amount of diminishing returns after that 1.5-2g mark, maybe even earlier, but with 3g total the ratios also seem right. You can one third - one half coming from test and the other half - two thirds split between an anabolic and DHT derivative. 30 is the highest ive been with GH due to cost mostly but I feel like you start entering that realm of not being able to take enough insulin to effectively utilize all your food and then it becomes one of those "take one drug to counter the effects of another drug" cascade. Ive also tried the 8g thing too and its just way too much stress on the body to effectively progress. Once digestion or sleep go to absolute shit then training performance will soon follow and now you're stressing your body out too much to progress and spinning your wheels.

Justin Harris says (I believe him a very valid source of info) 2-3G is where most
Big guys end up as an average.

30iu of gh and 8g is by far the highest doses I’ve heard someone admit to

What made you decide to get up to that amount?

What did you run and for how long?

Obviously sounds like it wasn’t the most optimal experience but be interested to hear you go into some more detail about that period

 

[KyleSmith1985]

His gut is really blown out. Looks extremely uncomfortable.

 

[Sectør]

Whether its optimal or not, the 3g of AAS + 20iu GH is exactly where I sit at for most of the year. Its an amount that I mentally and phyiscally feel comfortable where im taking "enough" but not "too much". As long as its kept to just injectables its an amount that keeps me hungry, doesnt destroy my sleep and for the amount of muscle I hold, doesnt seem to cause any additional inflammation or noticeable oxidative stress. And sure there's probably a large amount of diminishing returns after that 1.5-2g mark, maybe even earlier, but with 3g total the ratios also seem right. You can one third - one half coming from test and the other half - two thirds split between an anabolic and DHT derivative. 30 is the highest ive been with GH due to cost mostly but I feel like you start entering that realm of not being able to take enough insulin to effectively utilize all your food and then it becomes one of those "take one drug to counter the effects of another drug" cascade. Ive also tried the 8g thing too and its just way too much stress on the body to effectively progress. Once digestion or sleep go to absolute shit then training performance will soon follow and now you're stressing your body out too much to progress and spinning your wheels.

Was going to ask about the inflammation aspect as this is something I’ve been paying more attention to (and dealing with recently).

Made the mistake of adding in DHB again because I’m stubborn and don’t learn. 3-4 weeks later, inflammation seems awful, lethargy is horrible, recovery is crap, might have put on a few lbs of water just from inflammation (I’ve seen people mention this when they reduce inflammation they usually lose a few lbs) so basically I’m dropping DHB asap, just not working, and I knew it wouldn’t but tried it because of the mast primo situation.

So the plan is maybe higher test and higher eq, with moderate mast for the growth phase.

Just wondering if anyone has tricks to really knock out inflammation other than fish oils, magnesium, coq, icing the areas, etc. body just feels completely beat to shit. Probably thinking I should deload. I can only imagine the inflammation gets high on the higher dosed cycles (but obviously the compounds you use are also a factor—with test being probably the least inflammatory?)

 

[RSMainz]

Justin Harris says (I believe him a very valid source of info) 2-3G is where most
Big guys end up as an average.

30iu of gh and 8g is by far the highest doses I’ve heard someone admit to

What made you decide to get up to that amount?

What did you run and for how long?

Obviously sounds like it wasn’t the most optimal experience but be interested to hear you go into some more detail about that period

I know you want info bro but from your post history you definitely suffer from a bit of over analysis paralysis. I think the answer is pretty obvious, its a more is better mentality, If I can get x amount out of 1g well surely ill get more out of 2g, 3g, 4 etc. When you compete and live this lifestyle for years and years of course you are going to push things higher at some point. I think its much like the experience of when people first start drinking alcohol. After your first drink or two you think "hey this feels really nice, if I feel this way from 2 drinks well surely 3 is better right" and 3 turns into 4 which turns into 5 and before you know it you're at 9 and now you feel terrible, nauseous, you're throwing up and all those benefits you were getting are completely negated by the side effects

I think society in general is very conservative with their recommendations as the legal drama is just too much these days. Seems its far better to under prescribe and under recommend than potentially end up in a situation where you could be held liable because someone has hurt themselves from your advice. I was just thinking about the Elliot Dermond thread in regards to this. I dont think its a bad thing but even coaches generally ere on the side of caution with recommendations and no one wants to be the reason their client has health issues or worse. I remember you mentioning people like Nick and Dallas who supposedly used a lot more than recommended by their coach, well I fell into this camp too. Of course there are always gonna be genetic freaks out there but if you were competing in an open mens show at a high level, you cant tell me that none of those guys have had this thought at some point during their careers. They might've been taking their 500 test, 400 mast for the last 2 years but at some point you're going to want to see how far you can push things, how good you could potentially be. And hey, it might backfire, but you're never going to know unless you try?

 

[traininsane11]

I know you want info bro but from your post history you definitely suffer from a bit of over analysis paralysis. I think the answer is pretty obvious, its a more is better mentality, If I can get x amount out of 1g well surely ill get more out of 2g, 3g, 4 etc. When you compete and live this lifestyle for years and years of course you are going to push things higher at some point. I think its much like the experience of when people first start drinking alcohol. After your first drink or two you think "hey this feels really nice, if I feel this way from 2 drinks well surely 3 is better right" and 3 turns into 4 which turns into 5 and before you know it you're at 9 and now you feel terrible, nauseous, you're throwing up and all those benefits you were getting are completely negated by the side effects

I think society in general is very conservative with their recommendations as the legal drama is just too much these days. Seems its far better to under prescribe and under recommend than potentially end up in a situation where you could be held liable because someone has hurt themselves from your advice. I was just thinking about the Elliot Dermond thread in regards to this. I dont think its a bad thing but even coaches generally ere on the side of caution with recommendations and no one wants to be the reason their client has health issues or worse. I remember you mentioning people like Nick and Dallas who supposedly used a lot more than recommended by their coach, well I fell into this camp too. Of course there are always gonna be genetic freaks out there but if you were competing in an open mens show at a high level, you cant tell me that none of those guys have had this thought at some point during their careers. They might've been taking their 500 test, 400 mast for the last 2 years but at some point you're going to want to see how far you can push things, how good you could potentially be. And hey, it might backfire, but you're never going to know unless you try?

I agree I do but this wasn’t the cause of me asking about your experiences in this regard I was just curious as opposed to the people who are open at least I think
You’ve probably run higher dosages than anyone on the board with 8g, 30iu of gh and 300iu of insulin per your thread those are some big boy numbers and maybe 2-4x or more of what’s classed as high dosages generally

And I agree it’s definitely in our mentality to see what more yields

I was just interested to see your journey up to so much more than the norm level of where people seem to find the sides outweigh the pro’s

 

[tenny]

fuckin russians

they just dont care.

 

[tenny]

After seeing the 100iu for a week, I was kind of dissapointed in the 3 Grams gear weekly.....

what Putin says....GOES!

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I know you want info bro but from your post history you definitely suffer from a bit of over analysis paralysis. I think the answer is pretty obvious, its a more is better mentality, If I can get x amount out of 1g well surely ill get more out of 2g, 3g, 4 etc. When you compete and live this lifestyle for years and years of course you are going to push things higher at some point. I think its much like the experience of when people first start drinking alcohol. After your first drink or two you think "hey this feels really nice, if I feel this way from 2 drinks well surely 3 is better right" and 3 turns into 4 which turns into 5 and before you know it you're at 9 and now you feel terrible, nauseous, you're throwing up and all those benefits you were getting are completely negated by the side effects

I think society in general is very conservative with their recommendations as the legal drama is just too much these days. Seems its far better to under prescribe and under recommend than potentially end up in a situation where you could be held liable because someone has hurt themselves from your advice. I was just thinking about the Elliot Dermond thread in regards to this. I dont think its a bad thing but even coaches generally ere on the side of caution with recommendations and no one wants to be the reason their client has health issues or worse. I remember you mentioning people like Nick and Dallas who supposedly used a lot more than recommended by their coach, well I fell into this camp too. Of course there are always gonna be genetic freaks out there but if you were competing in an open mens show at a high level, you cant tell me that none of those guys have had this thought at some point during their careers. They might've been taking their 500 test, 400 mast for the last 2 years but at some point you're going to want to see how far you can push things, how good you could potentially be. And hey, it might backfire, but you're never going to know unless you try?

Lets say, hypothetically , you never make pro or do make pro and can never stack up to the competition after a few yrs of trying - you ever see yourself being able to drop down to “health phase” doses and just living life? Or is it you & competitive bodybuilding til death do you part.

Just a curious question, not loaded.

 

[Virtues]

Wow... whiskey tango foxtrot

 

[rhinozt47]

Forget tren and AIs, nothing gives me the heebie jeebies like the thought of those crazy high GH doses. I get basically no sides from gear, but got damn my body is sensitive to the ol’ GH

 

[hawkmoon]

Justin Harris says (I believe him a very valid source of info) 2-3G is where most
Big guys end up as an average.

I think Justin probably has good insight and I have heard this line quoted often.
What I think many miss however is the end up part.

I see too many guys well under 185 lean (or 200 bloofy) running 1.5 - 2g a gear as if they are already a superheavyweight.
Then they wonder why they aren't progressing and their health has gone to hell.

That 2-3g of gear needs to be used by 250lbs of muscle, not floating around causing havoc.