100 iu GH a day (not a typo) - Sergey Danilov

[TheOtherOne55]

has your midsection become noticeably smaller from making this change?

and is that 300-320 all animal sources as well?

noticeably less distention, but we did other than other than just lower protein. But digestion is better.
And yes, all animal sources.

What's interesting is that in my case i will always believe higher protein builds more tissue, helps satiety, leads to better fullness, etc....for the majoring of guys trying to get big. But i also believe that lots of guys just hit a roadblock, after doing this for years on end, where high protein becomes a problem and the need to lower the total grams is needed. Can they still make progress? Totally. But do I think it is the most efficient, nah not really.

 

[Fleezy]

but we did other than other than just lower protein

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[Simon90]

I would like to try lowering my protein but then I’d be having to replace the protein I remove with even more carbs!! And I love eating protein
370g from direct sources is very easy for me to eat but if I’d gain potentially better off less I’d be up for trying it. I guess the 120 I remove from protein I could just replace with carbs around training pre intra post it’s only be 40 extra

 

[Fleezy]

I would like to try lowering my protein but then I’d be having to replace the protein I remove with even more carbs!! And I love eating protein
370g from direct sources is very easy for me to eat but if I’d gain potentially better off less I’d be up for trying it. I guess the 120 I remove from protein I could just replace with carbs around training pre intra post it’s only be 40 extra

carbs are cheaper at least

 

[silvaback]

Nice, around was dosages on the gear

1st cycle started at 200mg then slowly increased it to 400mg

2nd cycle was 500mg test 200mg deca and hgh

 

[Simon90]

carbs are cheaper at least

Yeah I've just worked out reducing protein by 120g a day would save nearly 30quid a week wtf!!

 

[MajinBoo]

I’m still the outlier with this. I’ve tried phases of lower protein and I hands down look better on higher protein every time. 300-350g range depending on the day.

I am on the same boat

 

[silvaback]

I am on the same boat

same i feel higher protein keeps me looking leaner when eating a ton also bigger and fuller… my strength in the gym is always stronger on high protein

 

[Sectør]

I don’t think high protein is a bad thing—as long as you’re able to maintain efficient digestion

If you can process 300g+ protein very easily, and digestion is flowing and optimized, I don’t see that being a problem personally. At worst it becomes an expensive form of gluconeogenesis, but you’ll always be maxing out muscle protein synthesis

But obviously if you’re eating 300g+ and your having digestion issues and stomach distention, it’s probably best to bring it down to a level where you can digest and absorb things properly.

 

[Flocci]

same i feel higher protein keeps me looking leaner when eating a ton also bigger and fuller… my strength in the gym is always stronger on high protein

at what amount of protein did you notice a decrease in results, or at what intake did you see these benefits you outlined above?

 

[silvaback]

at what amount of protein did you notice a decrease in results, or at what intake did you see these benefits you outlined above?

when i went above 1g per pound of bodyweight

 

[Ber_tren]

1st cycle started at 200mg then slowly increased it to 400mg

2nd cycle was 500mg test 200mg deca and hgh

That’s crazy good seemd like low for how much size was added , nice thanks

 

[Simon90]

Today I lowered my protein and increased my carbs to replace cals.

There is actually a massive difference in my stomach distension! I didn't even think I had an issue with distension but the difference is night and day. Especially with the feeling of pressure from within.

I also look dryer and more vascular as the day has gone by, coincidence maybe, I don't know!

Feels odd having it low. Appetite is higher (it was already ridiculously high anyway).... Maybe I'll try it tomorrow. I don't know yet! I'd probably have to give it a good few weeks to give a fair view on it. It is strange phycologically as well.

 

[traininsane11]

Today I lowered my protein and increased my carbs to replace cals.

There is actually a massive difference in my stomach distension! I didn't even think I had an issue with distension but the difference is night and day. Especially with the feeling of pressure from within.

I also look dryer and more vascular as the day has gone by, coincidence maybe, I don't know!

Feels odd having it low. Appetite is higher (it was already ridiculously high anyway).... Maybe I'll try it tomorrow. I don't know yet! I'd probably have to give it a good few weeks to give a fair view on it. It is strange phycologically as well.

I’m tempted to do the same myself but with my food already being on the lower end relatively I’ve never had any issues with force feeding or feeling “full” but not to say it wouldn’t help with distension having said that during prep it goes completely

What did you drop it from and to?

 

[Flocci]

Today I lowered my protein and increased my carbs to replace cals.

There is actually a massive difference in my stomach distension! I didn't even think I had an issue with distension but the difference is night and day. Especially with the feeling of pressure from within.

I also look dryer and more vascular as the day has gone by, coincidence maybe, I don't know!

Feels odd having it low. Appetite is higher (it was already ridiculously high anyway).... Maybe I'll try it tomorrow. I don't know yet! I'd probably have to give it a good few weeks to give a fair view on it. It is strange phycologically as well.

interesting, keep us updated!

What did your food choices and macros look before and how are they now that you changed things up?

 

[Simon90]

I’m tempted to do the same myself but with my food already being on the lower end relatively I’ve never had any issues with force feeding or feeling “full” but not to say it wouldn’t help with distension having said that during prep it goes completely

What did you drop it from and to?

interesting, keep us updated!

What did your food choices and macros look before and how are they now that you changed things up?

Dropped it from 390 direct to 2direct. As I eat a lot of gluten free oats the indirect amount would be closer to 500g!

Macros were 800c 390p trace fats, today they have been 200p 1200c trace fats. (Quad day so higher carb but if I do this on a normal day I.e tomorrow I’d do 1000 carbs

 

[traininsane11]

Dropped it from 390 direct to 2direct. As I eat a lot of gluten free oats the indirect amount would be closer to 500g!

Macros were 800c 390p trace fats, today they have been 200p 1200c trace fats. (Quad day so higher carb but if I do this on a normal day I.e tomorrow I’d do 1000 carbs

Ohh damn yeah pretty high beforehand then think I worked out mine to about 350g total and 240g direct so probably not all that high realistically

Interested to see how you get on

 

[SABAGOY]

I am playing around with things and dropped mine from 380 direct to 280 direct…replaced the difference with carbs. So carbs are about 850 training days and 550 non.

Not sure what sort of difference I’ll experience as I believe my digestion of such high protein was still very solid…but the pocket book will enjoy it and time saved cooking food!

 

[beorn777]

I’m still the outlier with this. I’ve tried phases of lower protein and I hands down look better on higher protein every time. 300-350g range depending on the day.

Justin had me on 80 protein a meal for a bit, was a miserable experience but it was more a calorie thing for him so we eventually lowered it to 60 and replaced all the chicken etc with red meat but my calories were around 8500-9500 highday every training day etc 1300 carbs, man that was expensive doing red meat every meal basically. Cheat meal post training and before bed everyday. I think he just runs out of places to raise calories once carbs hit a certain point for some guys.

 

[bbxtreme]

Justin had me on 80 protein a meal for a bit, was a miserable experience but it was more a calorie thing for him so we eventually lowered it to 60 and replaced all the chicken etc with red meat but my calories were around 8500-9500 highday every training day etc 1300 carbs, man that was expensive doing red meat every meal basically. Cheat meal post training and before bed everyday. I think he just runs out of places to raise calories once carbs hit a certain point for some guys.

That is a lot of food. You must be carrying around some serious muscle.

But yes, over time you can only pull each lever so far. Eating high carbs over time can create its own set of issues and lead to excess insulin use.

For me I’ve always slowly worked up my protein throughout the progressive phase. I’ll usually get maybe 2-3 bumps in over a season. Then going into a prep will back it down a bit.

But the key I feel for anyone doing high protein is their microbiome and enzymes. Nobody’s body was designed to force high protein down every 2 hours, 6-7 meals per day.