19 year old son asking advice about sarms/gear.. I’m in a tough spot😩

[rgrmedic]

I’ve always had an open and honest relationship with both my kids. Nit so much with my son until more recently. My daughter?.. well I know more stuff about her.. than I actually want to.. but.. she needs to tell people some things that o was the only person she trusted. My son was a little jealous so I told him we could have the same relationship (if it isn’t blatantly obvious.. I’m divorced from their mom) This has been going great for a few years now.. we’re closer than ever.

Now.. he’s 19.. a man.. he does not live under my roof so he’s gonna do what he wants to do. He’s asking me about using gear and sarms. He has been on retatrutide for a few months and is getting pretty ripped… but he’s needs more muscle(his words not mine) he currently is on day two of rad 140. He says he doesn’t intend to use the needle.. until a later time. What is a good stack.. supplement or even actual anabolic steroids that will be safe.. produce results.. .. I can’t think clearly.. because he’s my son.. I know he’s gonna do it if I do or don’t answer his questions.. so I could leave it to him getting his info from instagram or i figured I come “home” and ask the boys what they thought. Please help me. Ask me questions if something isn’t clear

 

[madcap71]

In all honesty, you're probably in a better situation with him than you think. He wants to have an open and honest relationship with you and he is telling you what he's doing. As such I imagine he will take your advice?

I'd sit him down and have a conversation with him about what he's taking, how much and how long for and get him to do it as safely as possible. 19 is too young but you can't really stop him, so your best bet is to make sure he is being sensible

 

[rgrmedic]

In all honesty, you're probably in a better situation with him than you think. He wants to have an open and honest relationship with you and he is telling you what he's doing. As such I imagine he will take your advice?

I'd sit him down and have a conversation with him about what he's taking, how much and how long for and get him to do it as safely as possible. 19 is too young but you can't really stop him, so your best bet is to make sure he is being sensible

That’s exactly what I was thinking.. I didn’t take gear till I was in my 20’s and about to reenlist and try to become a Ranger. I’m not super experienced with SARMS .. what ones work? Safe? I figured going back to the place I came to in the first place

 

[madcap71]

That’s exactly what I was thinking.. I didn’t take gear till I was in my 20’s and about to reenlist and try to become a Ranger. I’m not super experienced with SARMS .. what ones work? Safe? I figured going back to the place I came to in the first place

rad140 is relatively strong from memory, but if he takes TUDCA with it and does a short PCT after, he'll be fine

 

[qbkilla]

I personally would advise him to focus on training, diet, nutrition than only add drugs when they are needed when the foundation is in ppace. But I am in my 40s and this approach is no longer popular and even frowned upon.

 

[professionaldyel]

Tell him to immediately throw that SARM garbage away because its unsafe, and not studied enough then give him what he spent for it lmao.

Anavar/Adrol/Dbol single oral cycle with the framework you gave us is the safest and most effective play because theres literature on it.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

Brother, the first thing I would do is have a conversation about what his goals are. Does he want to compete, or just be jacked? Does he have a goal size / physique, or just become as massive as possible. Like others have said, it is a good thing he is coming to you because he trusts you, rather than doing it secretly behind your back, and it also gives you an opportunity, if he is going to go that route, to advise him properly, or at least put him contact with a trusted coach that can advise him, and not hurt him.

If it were me, and it is not, but I would say something like this. Son, you are a grown man and can do whatever you want, but let me see your nutrition, and training plan. Let's make sure we have everything in order so that you can maximize the results of the gear. Help him understand that he doesn't want to go down the road of getting lazy in those areas and letting the gear make up for it. I know he is not going to want to hear this, at that age, I would suggest he get everything in his life firing on all cylinders and build a foundation naturally, and maybe wait until early 20's? He is still developing, and has high testosterone now.

 

[qbkilla]

Brother, the first thing I would do is have a conversation about what his goals are. Does he want to compete, or just be jacked? Does he have a goal size / physique, or just become as massive as possible. Like others have said, it is a good thing he is coming to you because he trusts you, rather than doing it secretly behind your back, and it also gives you an opportunity, if he is going to go that route, to advise him properly, or at least put him contact with a trusted coach that can advise him, and not hurt him.

If it were me, and it is not, but I would say something like this. Son, you are a grown man and can do whatever you want, but let me see your nutrition, and training plan. Let's make sure we have everything in order so that you can maximize the results of the gear. Help him understand that he doesn't want to go down the road of getting lazy in those areas and letting the gear make up for it. I know he is not going to want to hear this, at that age, I would suggest he get everything in his life firing on all cylinders and build a foundation naturally, and maybe wait until early 20's? He is still developing, and has high testosterone now.

Agree 100%. People told me this back in 2002, I didn't listen, I hopped on before even building anything. Looking back i wish I had milked my natural gains before hopping on. Also...being relatively new and on gear...my lifts shot up...flat bench especially..+5 lbs a week until 345 at 5x5...snapped my pec..couldn't bench forever...came off and lost everything.

 

[Fleezy]

Tell him to immediately throw that SARM garbage away because its unsafe, and not studied enough then give him what he spent for it lmao.

Anavar/Adrol/Dbol single oral cycle with the framework you gave us is the safest and most effective play because theres literature on it.

italicized the good advice, bolded the bad advice




tell him to take test, and test only - with AI, and possibly very low dose finasteride if he wants to keep his hair.

he should get all the gains he should reasonably want from just testosterone

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Tough spot. How many years does he have consistent training? Do you think he would listen if you told him to wait till early 20’s??? Go all in on helping him with his nutrition/training/sleep. If he is gonna do it you gotta keep him as safe as possible. I’m not sure how I would handle it.

 

[JuniorMc]

Be open and honest with him. Cause if you don’t, someone else could lead him astray.

 

[hawkmoon]

It is a long time ago now, but I'll relate the same story from the other side.

Parents divorced when I was 4, dad a cop, mom a bank exec.
Dad lifted weights and bought me BB books, etc as a kid when he showed up.

At 18 I did my first show. At 19 I went on gear to progress further. Mom found out and got pissed - of course.
She did the "I'm going to call your father and have him talk to you!"

Paraphrased - nearly 40 years ago...1989

• Me: Hi Dad
• Dad: Hi son. what are you doing?
• Me: I want to compete at a high level and maybe go pro
• Dad: Do you know what you are doing?
• Me: Yeah.
• Dad: You're a smart kid, OK.
• Me: Thanks

Mom went ballistic, but FWIW my dad's trust in me meant something.
It meant he trusted me to use my head and that made me even more cautious so I could prove him right.

Not saying it's the right answer here for everyone, but I turned out OK.

 

[Fleezy]

It is a long time ago now, but I'll relate the same story from the other side.

Parents divorced when I was 4, dad a cop, mom a bank exec.
Dad lifted weights and bought me BB books, etc as a kid when he showed up.

At 18 I did my first show. At 19 I went on gear to progress further. Mom found out and got pissed - of course.
She did the "I'm going to call your father and have him talk to you!"

Paraphrased - nearly 40 years ago...1989

• Me: Hi Dad
• Dad: Hi son. what are you doing?
• Me: I want to compete at a high level and maybe go pro
• Dad: Do you know what you are doing?
• Me: Yeah.
• Dad: You're a smart kid, OK.
• Me: Thanks

Mom went ballistic, but FWIW my dad's trust in me meant something.
It meant he trusted me to use my head and that made me even more cautious so I could prove him right.

Not saying it's the right answer here for everyone, but I turned out OK.

my story:

at 20 years old


Me: Mom, Dad, i want to start taking steroids
Them: Ok - as long as you dont do what we did when we were your age (LSD, Cocaine, etc.)

my mom even pinned my ass for me for my first cycle..



lmao

 

[Fleezy]

if i had a son, i would damn near insist that he gets on testosterone


it's a dangerous world out there, and if you're going to get in a fight, it's good to have an unfair advantage.

i've gotten into some pretty brutal ones here at the hospital - and having superhuman strength definitely came in handy



- also, being big makes people think twice about starting shit with you



AND if they do start shit with you - while being smaller, you know that they know that they have the advantage (a gun or a knife), so you know to back off

works both ways

 

[td]

I don't have children so I cannot relate directly. I have coached many adolescent athletes.

My policy is that I will not speak about these topics with anyone who is under 18. Once you're a legal adult and have graduated high school, I will answer every and all questions in a transparent manner. I stress that these compounds work but they carry degrees of inherent risk.

If you're actually honest with kids, they are receptive.

 

[Performance Based]

Non test cycles have been around for decades and you don't see some epidemic of individuals being sterile - I was on TRT + full blown cycles for two decades and my levels came back relatively easily with TRT level use combined with HCG and HMG.

I'd just be honest with him, advise him to try anavar or some other relatively light compound only for 6-8 weeks with some HCG and a proper PCT.

 

[Sammy_J]

I think you’re probably in a better position than you perceive, and that’s understandable, it’s your kid. But you appear to be in a position to advise him from personal experience, and in a way that ACTUALLY has his safety and wellbeing in mind, unlike whoever he’ll end up talking to in the gym or online if you don’t. Obviously he’s entirely too young to start gear, I think most would agree with that. But like you said, he’s a grown man and will do what he wants. So if you can’t get him to put it off for awhile longer and just focus on diet and training, then at least you’re aware of what’s going on, and can guide him safely through it. So I would be honest with him, if you bullshit him, and he finds out you’re bullshitting him, then everything you say on the subject from then on out will be viewed through that lens, and he may no longer hear what you have to say. Good luck brother, it’s a tough spot for sure.

 

[Fleezy]

felt obligated to add


When I started, I knew that it was for life

And never had any intention of ever stopping

Lots of young guys think they can run one cycle then stop and keep all the muscle they put on LOL

 

[blazencruise]

You can call me ignorant because I'm relatively new to steroids but there is no way a 19 year old going on anadrol is a good fucking idea...jfc

 

[cromespider]

As someone who stated his anabolic journey at 18, tell him to wait till he as at least 25. He is actually on a cycle right now with his natural hormones.

Optimize diet, training, and recovery.

However, as I did. He will probably not listen like I didn't. So keep him just in the basics and very low dose, and make sure you do a full pct with him.

I ran from 19-23, came off for a year. Even at 23 after a year of being off my natural test was at 19 free. Been on trt ever since