19 year old son asking advice about sarms/gear.. I’m in a tough spot😩

[KyleSmith1985]

You’re in a better spot than him listening to 19 year old TikTok juice heads or Reddit.

Big things to bring up IMO:
AAS possession is a felony.
Possibility of not having kids.
Closing of growth plates. He could still be growing in height.
Brain not fully developed.

I have no regrets starting at age 20 but I sure as hell wish I had some guidance. Luckily I did have PM but 16 years ago the info and knowledge was significantly less.

 

[Fleezy]

AAS possession is a felony.

Not always

I bought - and read ‘legal muscle’ by Rick Collins

OP may want to give that a read

 

[Scuncknuts]

I would tell my kid, absolutely no gear allowed. At 19 creatine a good diet and healthy lifting techniques are the key. Liver disease heart disease and permanent infertility are very real consequences that are not worth the fun of going on some gear

 

[professionaldyel]

Oral steroids like dbol, winstrol, anadrol, etc, are directly linked to developing liver adenomas

Do with that information what you will.

I’m just trying to help OP guide his son in his muscle-building pursuits

So you're going to dodge everything I said and moon walk back, chef's kiss.

injectable steroids like testosterone are directly linked to heart disease yet you suggested it.

• Direct cardiac links: cardiomyopathy, LV dysfunction, myocardial hypertrophy, fibrosis, impaired coronary microcirculation.
• Direct vascular links: atherosclerosis, plaque burden, endothelial dysfunction, arterial stiffness, thrombosis risk.

See how annoying and unproductive this type of commenting is?

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

I would tell my kid, absolutely no gear allowed. At 19 creatine a good diet and healthy lifting techniques are the key. Liver disease heart disease and permanent infertility are very real consequences that are not worth the fun of going on some gear

I agree with you bro, but if OP's son is dead set on doing this, he is probably going to do it anyway. If he takes that hard line stance, the son may rebel and end up making bad decision based on what and how he does it. If Dad advises him, he can at least make sure he doing it as safely and smartly as possible. He isn't wrong, it is a tough spot.

 

[Fleezy]

So you're going to dodge everything I said and moon walk back, chef's kiss.

injectable steroids like testosterone are directly linked to heart disease yet you suggested it.

• Direct cardiac links: cardiomyopathy, LV dysfunction, myocardial hypertrophy, fibrosis, impaired coronary microcirculation.
• Direct vascular links: atherosclerosis, plaque burden, endothelial dysfunction, arterial stiffness, thrombosis risk.

See how annoying and unproductive this type of commenting is?

Whatever dude

Kid wants to do steroids

I recommended that if he do steroids, he do only the safest one - and avoid drugs that are linked to liver tumors that either rupture or turn malignant

We’ve had a number of people on this board who developed these tumors even after relatively mild cycles

Don’t have the time or the interest to dive into the topic further tbh



To summarize and reiterate, I recommend test, and test only.

If the kid is too scared of needles, then he shouldn’t even entertain the idea, and just stay natural

Best of luck

 

[yellowbird1]

if i had a son, i would damn near insist that he gets on testosterone


it's a dangerous world out there, and if you're going to get in a fight, it's good to have an unfair advantage.

i've gotten into some pretty brutal ones here at the hospital - and having superhuman strength definitely came in handy



- also, being big makes people think twice about starting shit with you



AND if they do start shit with you - while being smaller, you know that they know that they have the advantage (a gun or a knife), so you know to back off

works both ways

You work at a trauma center? I remember having to fight drunk people in the ER to hold them down and hope they chill out. Now I've moved to a level 2 trauma center close to home. Don't see nearly as much crazy as I did at the level 1 for 10 years

 

[Fleezy]

You work at a trauma center? I remember having to fight drunk people in the ER to hold them down and hope they chill out. Now I've moved to a level 2 trauma center close to home. Don't see nearly as much crazy as I did at the level 1 for 10 years

Yep

It gets pretty ugly

 

[professionaldyel]

Whatever dude

Kid wants to do steroids

I recommended that if he do steroids, he do only the safest one - and avoid drugs that are linked to liver tumors that either rupture or turn malignant

We’ve had a number of people on this board who developed these tumors even after relatively mild cycles

Don’t have the time or the interest to dive into the topic further tbh



To summarize and reiterate, I recommend test, and test only.

If the kid is too scared of needles, then he shouldn’t even entertain the idea, and just stay natural

Best of luck

so 4 times now and you still haven't read the original post lmao. He's staying natural on RAD140 lmfao.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

I’ve always had an open and honest relationship with both my kids. Nit so much with my son until more recently. My daughter?.. well I know more stuff about her.. than I actually want to.. but.. she needs to tell people some things that o was the only person she trusted. My son was a little jealous so I told him we could have the same relationship (if it isn’t blatantly obvious.. I’m divorced from their mom) This has been going great for a few years now.. we’re closer than ever.

Now.. he’s 19.. a man.. he does not live under my roof so he’s gonna do what he wants to do. He’s asking me about using gear and sarms. He has been on retatrutide for a few months and is getting pretty ripped… but he’s needs more muscle(his words not mine) he currently is on day two of rad 140. He says he doesn’t intend to use the needle.. until a later time. What is a good stack.. supplement or even actual anabolic steroids that will be safe.. produce results.. .. I can’t think clearly.. because he’s my son.. I know he’s gonna do it if I do or don’t answer his questions.. so I could leave it to him getting his info from instagram or i figured I come “home” and ask the boys what they thought. Please help me. Ask me questions if something isn’t clear

How old were you when you first took gear? I need that answer first to give you my thoughts. Read down and saw my answer. Nevermind.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

I would ask him if he is playing the short game or the long game? What I mean is IF he is going to juice for sure then is his plan to do it for a while while he is young or does he plan on making it a lifetime commitment? Yeh I know he hasn't likely thought that far in advance.

Here is the deal though. We all know once you get on the temptation to increase dose. Well if he goes to the dark side at 19 and starts with a dose of 500mg a week of Test, just being hypothetical, then what doses is he going to be taking in 10 yrs, 15yrs, 20 yrs. I would really explain that out to him. He has to start really low. Because if not what is he gonna do at 29? 2 grams a week. Lol.

I waited till I was 32 to get on. I could squat 500x1 on squats and do 500x3 for deadlift before I ever touched any gear. I got to 240lbs naturally at 6' tall before I went there. So glad I built a good base to start with. JMHO.

 

[stackdizzy]

I’ve always had an open and honest relationship with both my kids. Nit so much with my son until more recently. My daughter?.. well I know more stuff about her.. than I actually want to.. but.. she needs to tell people some things that o was the only person she trusted. My son was a little jealous so I told him we could have the same relationship (if it isn’t blatantly obvious.. I’m divorced from their mom) This has been going great for a few years now.. we’re closer than ever.

Now.. he’s 19.. a man.. he does not live under my roof so he’s gonna do what he wants to do. He’s asking me about using gear and sarms. He has been on retatrutide for a few months and is getting pretty ripped… but he’s needs more muscle(his words not mine) he currently is on day two of rad 140. He says he doesn’t intend to use the needle.. until a later time. What is a good stack.. supplement or even actual anabolic steroids that will be safe.. produce results.. .. I can’t think clearly.. because he’s my son.. I know he’s gonna do it if I do or don’t answer his questions.. so I could leave it to him getting his info from instagram or i figured I come “home” and ask the boys what they thought. Please help me. Ask me questions if something isn’t clear

Its great you have that good of a relationship with your son. Personally i'd get him started on 25-50 mgs of dbol ed. See how he grows on that

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Not necessarily

Met plenty of young teenage men with very low natural levels

When they say we aren’t the men our grandfathers were, they weren’t lying

This is very true. There are young fellas in early 20’s at my job (fire service)where we get full lab work/ part of our yearly physicals who are in the 2-300ngdl who are not out of shape but are skinny fat. They don’t look like most of us did in the late 90s when we started. They have come to me for advice and I put them on to good Drs in our area. It blows my mind!!! One was even an old conference pitcher and wrestler in high school. I don’t understand it.

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Yep

It gets pretty ugly

Yep, did it part time on the side for 7 years in early 2000’s. No formal training for self defense but thank god I was young, gassed up, fast and strong. Pretty ugly is an understatement. In the ER once the cops left was madness. Plus we had a psych wing too!!!

 

[Fleezy]

Yep, did it part time on the side for 7 years in early 2000’s. No formal training for self defense but thank god I was young, gassed up, fast and strong. Pretty ugly is an understatement. In the ER once the cops left was madness. Plus we had a psych wing too!!!

Yeah most of the people in the ED are afraid of me because of how violent I’ve had to get with some 5150’s

Things have gotten brutal and bloody

And then I go back to eating my lunch like nothing happened


The entire female staff went on got therapy and counseling after having witnessed the last one I got in…it was that brutal… for him at least

 

[SouthernMuscle]

And then I go back to eating my lunch like nothing happened

idk why but my first thought was “wtf wash your hands”

Obviously you did but it’s just where my mind went

 

[Fleezy]

idk why but my first thought was “wtf wash your hands”

Obviously you did but it’s just where my mind went

Apparently my iron was low

So I just licked his blood off my hands

Nothing goes to waste

 

[madcap71]

I've changed my stance on this. Get him off the SARMS and onto some test. Explain to him the benefits on injectable, bio-identical compounds vs stuff they made in a lab that was not fit for purpose.

 

[Siggy]

Our youth is totally fucked. Social media says you need to look like a gym shark athlete by age 19 and anyone can order steroids as easily as ordering an uber.

On another note, I ordered a bunch of Tirz for my fatass friend and the shit has been in US customs for like 8 days now. Fucking assholes probably confiscated it. My buddy is going to have a stroke when he gets his first seizure letter. Although I dont know if it will be as bad as if he had gotten steroids confiscated.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

This is very true. There are young fellas in early 20’s at my job (fire service)where we get full lab work/ part of our yearly physicals who are in the 2-300ngdl who are not out of shape but are skinny fat. They don’t look like most of us did in the late 90s when we started. They have come to me for advice and I put them on to good Drs in our area. It blows my mind!!! One was even an old conference pitcher and wrestler in high school. I don’t understand it.

Go do some research. Test levels have been going down in men in America for a very long time. I'm not gonna get into the particulars on the reasons. Because you get into the social/political realm. Which is a big no no on here.