19 year old son asking advice about sarms/gear.. I’m in a tough spot😩

[pesty4077]

I see plenty of kids in gyms taking steroids and look like crap. They ask me questions and I always tell them to work harder and eat better. Few do this. Too many so called influencers are giving them bad advice.

If I can back to that age, I would change things in my life.

1. Don't take any drugs at all and concentrate on diet more.
2. Don't do bodybuilding shows because they are infested with drugs.
3. Concentrate more on cardio, mobility, and flexibility.
4. Don't worry about big muscles as much as health and functionality of muscles.
5. Take testosterone and GH when I got old and needed it more if blood work supports it.

My problem is I still have a bodybuilding mentality. My muscles at this point aren't getting bigger, but shrinking each year. I just hope I don't get too stupid with gear.

 

[qbkilla]

I see plenty of kids in gyms taking steroids and look like crap. They ask me questions and I always tell them to work harder and eat better. Few do this. Too many so called influencers are giving them bad advice.

If I can back to that age, I would change things in my life.

1. Don't take any drugs at all and concentrate on diet more.
2. Don't do bodybuilding shows because they are infested with drugs.
3. Concentrate more on cardio, mobility, and flexibility.
4. Don't worry about big muscles as much as health and functionality of muscles.
5. Take testosterone and GH when I got old and needed it more if blood work supports it.

My problem is I still have a bodybuilding mentality. My muscles at this point aren't getting bigger, but shrinking each year. I just hope I don't get too stupid with gear.

100% agree and is gold. Anyone who used to deal can probably verify this, AAS are not magic. I'd wager most guys aren't tracking calories or consistently adding weight to the bar..aren’t getting 8 hours a night and getting 10k steps a day...but they sure as hell aren't missing that shot.

It's always been this way but imo the drugs are so accessible now days, and the influences so openly talk about drugs, people who call this out (using AAS and basically slacking off at everything else) are now mocked because they have become the silent minority while the majority is the "just give me drugs " group.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I see plenty of kids in gyms taking steroids and look like crap. They ask me questions and I always tell them to work harder and eat better. Few do this. Too many so called influencers are giving them bad advice.

If I can back to that age, I would change things in my life.

1. Don't take any drugs at all and concentrate on diet more.
2. Don't do bodybuilding shows because they are infested with drugs.
3. Concentrate more on cardio, mobility, and flexibility.
4. Don't worry about big muscles as much as health and functionality of muscles.
5. Take testosterone and GH when I got old and needed it more if blood work supports it.

My problem is I still have a bodybuilding mentality. My muscles at this point aren't getting bigger, but shrinking each year. I just hope I don't get too stupid with gear.

Seems like a lot of compounds are being developed with age related muscle loss in mind, keep those eyes peeled, one might actually have merit!

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Sir I understand the potential reasons

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Go do some research. Test levels have been going down in men in America for a very long time. I'm not gonna get into the particulars on the reasons. Because you get into the social/political realm. Which is a big no no on here.

Sir, I know that there are multiple factors and it’s not one particular thing per se. i’m not going to list them because I can read “ the research” just as well as you can. As for political…. that’s your opinion and I don’t believe that to be the case unless you’re promoting the government take crap food off the shelves, for kids to have mandatorytwo hours of PE every day at school and remove fast food restaurants off every corner of America and forced parents to cook nutritional meals. I mean when’s the last time you saw a group of 5 to 10 boys riding bicycles all over the place? It doesn’t happen anymore because everyone’s afraid. That’s not political because it won’t happen so I don’t understand what you’re saying about political.

 

[Josefein421]

What would you tell him if he wasn’t your son and just a 19-year-old kid at the gym wanting advice? That’s probably your best most honest route

 

[graybass]

My God man! I'm a trainer/Nutritionist/Aerobics Consultant/Bla Bla Bla for 35 years. Trained tons of athletes!
Explain to him at 19 years old his body's own hormones are plenty high enough to gain muscle naturally! Should not take gear for many more years. He needs to put in the real work. Another year of training to gain size and strength should do the trick. And get the fuck off of the fat loss drugs. Jesus!

 

[Siggy]

As stated by several members on here, hes going to do it regardless, may as well try to minimize the potential hazards.

Tell him to hold off on the gear till hes at least 30, try and maximize those natural gains.

I would explain to him the negative things that can happen when you use orals, maybe get fleezy to shoot him a message, I bet he would be happy to help. If something bad happens down the road, I am sure you want to be able to say that you did everything you could to help minimize the risks.

Explain the importance of a good diet, regular cardio and blood pressure management.

Thats really all you can do.

 

[e95932]

I’ve always had an open and honest relationship with both my kids. Nit so much with my son until more recently. My daughter?.. well I know more stuff about her.. than I actually want to.. but.. she needs to tell people some things that o was the only person she trusted. My son was a little jealous so I told him we could have the same relationship (if it isn’t blatantly obvious.. I’m divorced from their mom) This has been going great for a few years now.. we’re closer than ever.

Now.. he’s 19.. a man.. he does not live under my roof so he’s gonna do what he wants to do. He’s asking me about using gear and sarms. He has been on retatrutide for a few months and is getting pretty ripped… but he’s needs more muscle(his words not mine) he currently is on day two of rad 140. He says he doesn’t intend to use the needle.. until a later time. What is a good stack.. supplement or even actual anabolic steroids that will be safe.. produce results.. .. I can’t think clearly.. because he’s my son.. I know he’s gonna do it if I do or don’t answer his questions.. so I could leave it to him getting his info from instagram or i figured I come “home” and ask the boys what they thought. Please help me. Ask me questions if something isn’t clear

A 19 year old does not need gear or SARMs. His natural testosterone is at its peak. The RAD-140 he's already on will shut down his natural production and he'll feel like garbage by week 6. If he's dead set on continuing, tell him to get bloodwork before and after and have enclomiphene ready for PCT. But honestly, he should stop now.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

Sir, I know that there are multiple factors and it’s not one particular thing per se. i’m not going to list them because I can read “ the research” just as well as you can. As for political…. that’s your opinion and I don’t believe that to be the case unless you’re promoting the government take crap food off the shelves, for kids to have mandatorytwo hours of PE every day at school and remove fast food restaurants off every corner of America and forced parents to cook nutritional meals. I mean when’s the last time you saw a group of 5 to 10 boys riding bicycles all over the place? It doesn’t happen anymore because everyone’s afraid. That’s not political because it won’t happen so I don’t understand what you’re saying about political.

You took that a little personal. Stop being so emotional.

 

[nothuman]

In all honesty, you're probably in a better situation with him than you think. He wants to have an open and honest relationship with you and he is telling you what he's doing. As such I imagine he will take your advice?

I'd sit him down and have a conversation with him about what he's taking, how much and how long for and get him to do it as safely as possible. 19 is too young but you can't really stop him, so your best bet is to make sure he is being sensible

I haven’t clicked this thread until now, but what a great first reply to the thread.

 

[rgrmedic]

What would you tell him if he wasn’t your son and just a 19-year-old kid at the gym wanting advice? That’s probably your best most honest route

If it wasn’t MY son I’d tell him to skip the sarms and go to a test cycle… because I’m not as familiar with sarms

 

[rgrmedic]

Thank you for all the incredibly thoughtful replies. The legal aspect has crossed my mind…. And his.. that one of the major factors he doesn’t want to jump to actual steroids.. he’s doing good mostly naturally .. he’s getting there

 

[Fleezy]

Explain to him at 19 years old his body's own hormones are plenty high enough to gain muscle naturally!

not trying to argue, but this just isn't necessarily true


when they say that we 'aren't half the men our grandfathers were' - they aren't lying


ive had friends in their late teens and early 20's with test in the high 100's to low 200's


and that's on the standard scale

 

[Fleezy]

I see plenty of kids in gyms taking steroids and look like crap. They ask me questions and I always tell them to work harder and eat better. Few do this.

my God i get this so much that i feel like having a stroke each time


i give them advice - they don't follow it, then ask for more advice later


i even let them train with me for a few sessions just to get an idea of what to do


every time i see them after that - they're either doing flat barbell bench press or forearm curls.




and people wonder why my hair fell out

 

[pesty4077]

Thank you for all the incredibly thoughtful replies. The legal aspect has crossed my mind…. And his.. that one of the major factors he doesn’t want to jump to actual steroids.. he’s doing good mostly naturally .. he’s getting there

He has a nice solid base.

 

[redz24]

I believe this is a slippery slope. 19 and using Reta to get ripped and now wants anabolics. This sounds like the first step to a life time if ped abuse.

 

[Fleezy]

I believe this is a slippery slope. 19 and using Reta to get ripped and now wants anabolics. This sounds like the first step to a life time if ped abuse.

As someone who started anabolics at 20 and hasn’t stopped since

I must disagree

 

[Josefein421]

If it wasn’t MY son I’d tell him to skip the sarms and go to a test cycle… because I’m not as familiar with sarms

So why not give the same unbiased advice to your son?

 

[rgrmedic]

So why not give the same unbiased advice to your son?

Very good question… there’s a big difference between some young guy at the gym.. than the young man.. who’s birth I missed because I was in Iraq .. who’s childhood was chaotic while dad did multiple combat tours .. resulting in the divorce with the mother of my children.. me not being “right in the head” when I got out. It took years to rebuild that relationship to where it is now.. and I don’t want to ruin that.. I don’t want him in any danger.. it’s just complicated when it comes to him and his sister