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I came off a 4 years cruise and blast and 3 years cycling before that trying to cover natural T


Results
Free T 14.1 (9-26)
E2 sensitive 21 (8-33)
Shbg 14.5 (16-33) low
LH 6.1 (1.7 - 8.6)
Igf1 310 (98-280) high
TSH 1.1 (.045 - 4.5)
DHEA 371 (138-475)

What do you guys think? Wait 6 more months and get bloods or jump on trt? My free T has been up by 3.5 points since last blood work which was 7-8 months before it. Almost 30. What's with high igf1?
 
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I came off a 4 years cruise and blast and 3 years cycling before that trying to cover natural T


Results
Free T 14.1 (9-26)
E2 sensitive 21 (8-33)
Shbg 14.5 (16-33) low
LH 6.1 (1.7 - 8.6)
Igf1 310 (98-280) high
TSH 1.1 (.045 - 4.5)
DHEA 371 (138-475)

What do you guys think? Wait 6 more months and get bloods or jump on trt? My free T has been up by 3.5 points since last blood work which was 7-8 months before it. Almost 30. What's with high igf1?

your results are within the ranges. what about total test? on the other hand i dont get what you are trying to accomplish - trying to recover natural T or just having normal test levels? i dont believe you will be able to recover good natural test levels after so much time on without the use of hcg, clomid several times a week year round, meaning instead of test you jab hcg or take clomid longterm. if you want to go on trt why wait?
 
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I'm confused, do you want to regain natural levels or hrt? Id be interested to find out I'd you could fully come back after being on for that amount of time. If,it were me id prob go with hrt unless i wasn't feeling like shit.

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your results are within the ranges. what about total test? on the other hand i dont get what you are trying to accomplish - trying to recover natural T or just having normal test levels? i dont believe you will be able to recover good natural test levels after so much time on without the use of hcg, clomid several times a week year round, meaning instead of test you jab hcg or take clomid longterm. if you want to go on trt why wait?


I want to be natural only if I can gain my natural T back. If not, then I'll go on trt
Total t is 350 but that's because im low shbg, so it doesn't matter

I'm confused, do you want to regain natural levels or hrt? Id be interested to find out I'd you could fully come back after being on for that amount of time. If,it were me id prob go with hrt unless i wasn't feeling like shit.

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I want to be natural with good T levels, and feel optimal. If not then TrT

Looks good imo. How are you feeling?


Not the best, but not the worst. I can wait a few more months to get tested again and if T is still going up
 
Your LH level is good too I see. I got off for about 11 months and my LH never even got high enough to measure. Total T for me was about 35 or so, so very very low.

Give your's more time. So far you are so much better off than I was. I don't think any doctor would want to put you on.
 
your results are fine. 350 is not great but good. i remember when i was at high school i had 19-20" arms and was interested what are my test levels(was natural back then). i had test and it came back at like 400 and i was young and training etc etc. so dont sweat at the numbers. natural test is like 1 spike a day at 4-5-6am and thats it. if you feel fine, have desire to train and for sex its fine.
 
your results are fine. 350 is not great but good. i remember when i was at high school i had 19-20" arms and was interested what are my test levels(was natural back then). i had test and it came back at like 400 and i was young and training etc etc. so dont sweat at the numbers. natural test is like 1 spike a day at 4-5-6am and thats it. if you feel fine, have desire to train and for sex its fine.

It's the Free T that matters after talking to dozen TRT specialists.
 
LH is normal which means testosterone will not increase further.
 
LH is normal which means testosterone will not increase further.

My bloodwork says your broscience is wrong. LH has been the same, T has been going up over the past 6 months by 30%. Testicles are different than pituitary glands
 
My bloodwork says your broscience is wrong. LH has been the same, T has been going up over the past 6 months by 30%. Testicles are different than pituitary glands

Nice info thank you for that
 
It's the Free T that matters after talking to dozen TRT specialists.

ACTUALLY, total T might mean more than free T.

SHBG is a very misunderstood protein, it is actually an active transport system and T bound to it is not inactive. This isn't broscience.


LH is normal which means testosterone will not increase further.

This doesn't even make sense, LH can further increase within the normal range and stimulate more T production. It would require a higher GNRH level which would require lower estradiol.
 
I was under the assumption that LH sends the signal from the brain to the testes to produce testosterone. When it’s off the body is trying to still recover but when it’s normal the signal is working properly therefor yielding correct testosterone levels whether they are high or low?
 
I was under the assumption that LH sends the signal from the brain to the testes to produce testosterone. When it’s off the body is trying to still recover but when it’s normal the signal is working properly therefor yielding correct testosterone levels whether they are high or low?

The amount of testosterone produced is dependant on and relative to the amount of LH produced, it isn't an on/off switch. But that doesn't mean you couldn't get more T from the same amount of LH, how efficiently you utilize LH could vary based on leydig cell production. Ultimately, you get more testosterone from having less estradiol or more leydig cells (probably all sorts of receptor regulation factors I know nothing about).
 
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ACTUALLY, total T might mean more than free T.

SHBG is a very misunderstood protein, it is actually an active transport system and T bound to it is not inactive. This isn't broscience.

"TOTAL TESTOSTERONE
This is the assay your patients will most focus on, as will clinicians unpracticed in the art.
Physicians who do not understand sex hormones will deny patients the testosterone
supplementation they want--and need!--when Total T is at low-normal levels. Total T is important
for titration of dosing, but its relevance is reduced in older men, by virtue of their increased serum
concentrations of SHBG (and therefore lowered Bioavailable Testosterone), in favor of:
BIOAVAILABLE TESTOSTERONE
Where we get the “bang” for the hormonal buck, so to speak. This is the actual amount the body
has available for use, as the concentration of hormone available within the capillary beds before the
androgen receptor approximates the sum of the Free Testosterone plus that which is loosely bound
to other carrier proteins in the blood, primarily albumin. If Bio T is not readily available, Free T
may be a second choice substitute, as Bio T and Free T serum concentrations are usually well
correlated. Bioavailable Testosterone is the gold standard for serum androgen evaluation." - Dr. Crisler

I'd say dr. Crisler and defy medical ( Dr Saya) are the best docs when it comes to hormone replacement therapy and they both agree that total T doesn't mean much.
 

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